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ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
1. do you see the replies to this on youtube?
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:20 AM
Dec 2011

radium is natural in water.... there are a lot of pro fracking comments. wtf!

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
7. and Lobbyists
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 12:47 PM
Jan 2012

I went to the EPA meeting in Denver on fracking.
Gawd, it was loaded with lobbyists, landowners and oil/gas workers who came very prepared with their 2 minute statements on the safety of fracking.
Many liberal types were horrified and got up and left.
It was quite the experience - nothing will change - the EPA folks seemed disinterested - they know the oil companies will win this one.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
2. Here in eastern Ohio although they have drilled a few wells the energy companies are
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:27 AM
Dec 2011

mainly into land acquisition. I have old farm land all around me that they have bought up rights to so I had no choice but sell my rights for $5000 an acre about $8000 total. There have been a few cases reported in western PA and northern WV where people's well water burns like in the video. The drillers blame the coal mines. There has also been several explosions and land subsidence and they blame that on the mines also. Seems we never had all this trouble with old coal mines before. In this area the Marcellas shale thins out to about 80' they say but under it we have 280' of Utica shale which they say is a gold mine containing around a trillion dollars of natural dry gas, wet gas and oil. I read the other day Chesapeake alone is going to drill 1500 wells here in the next 3 years. If it is a bad as the video says the entire Ohio and Mississippi river system may be poisoned. The owners of the old farms are suddenly instant millionaires and spending money like it's going out of style. Their biggest worry is the %^^&&* EPA coming in and screwing things up.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
4. I propose that we pass a law that makes the officers of the energy companies PERSONALLY
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 05:03 PM
Dec 2011

RESPONSIBLE for any and all damages that result from this process.
All their assets and those of their families should be on the line.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
5. Oil industry executives will lay to waste the Northeast if water supplies are contaminated.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:03 PM
Dec 2011

This is tragic. And the media feeds us the bullshit about how safe these practices are. One of these days they won't be able to cover it up. At that point they will be silent on the issue.

Either people will get sick and die in those areas or they will move. Like Chernobyl, there will be vast land areas that look nice but will be poisonous to anyone who attempts to live there. At what point will it stop?

Meanwhile, the oil execs will be living their lives far, far away where they believe they will never be affected by this. For their punishment, they should be made to live off the land they have contaminated.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
8. Thats not the half of it... Ohio tremors as reported today
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/01/us/ohio-earthquake/index.html
" State leaders have ordered that four fluid-injection wells in eastern Ohio will be "indefinitely" prohibited from opening in the aftermath of heightened seismic activity in the area, an official said."
These are wells to dispose of frack flowback.

Even tho NYC managed to get its water supply protected...they thought... Now NYC is worried that frack triggered tremors may endanger the H2O supply aquaducts that feed water to NYC. Get on it NYC residents!

Then there is this... Do you have a mortgage on your house and a gas lease?
From the NYS Bar Assoc...
"Residential fracking carries heavy industrial risks, and the ripple effects could be tremendous. Homeowners can be confronted with uninsurable property damage for activities that they cannot control. And now a growing number of banks won’t give new mortgage loans on homes with gas leases because they don’t meet secondary mortgage market guidelines."
http://www.nysba.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=57396 <---you really should read this if you live in the frack zone.

As to the radioactivity... it is simple... the drillers tell when they have entered the Marcellus formation by using a gamma ray detector because it is more radioactive then the surrounding formations. The Radon dissolves in the frack fluid and formation water and comes to the surface in flowback and produced water over the whole life of the well. But have no fear! Dilution is the solution to pollution! Dump it in the river or "treat" it in your municipal treatment plant, your treatment plant is designed to handle radioactivity, right?

Landscape Level Industrialization - Air Pollution from diesel engines and compressor stations... Light pollution from 24/7 drilling and stimulating operations. Habitat fragmentation from Drill pad clearing/gathering line clearing/compressor station construction. Noise pollution from all of the above. 40-60,000 wells in NYS 120,000 in PA (or something like that) for the next 30-50 years.

As mentioned earlier once the Marcellus is in play then they go for the deeper Utica shale - a "stacked play"

No small deal this... play.
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