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Ayn Rand on Phil Donahue 1979 (Original Post) otohara Mar 2013 OP
Ugly brucefan Mar 2013 #1
Wears the colors of a Roman Slave formercia Mar 2013 #2
Nice prisoner jumpsuit colors. n/t TheCowsCameHome Mar 2013 #3
Oh look, its Paul Ryan and Rand Paul's hero... Isn't she just so sweet. glowing Mar 2013 #4
poor ayn iamthebandfanman Mar 2013 #5
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #6
Her arguments aren't even logical. Logic is A + B = C, so if A = D, then Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #7
Paul Ryan Rand Paul Ayn Rand demwing Mar 2013 #8
Ayn Rand in the full cut & parry of philosophical debate! Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #9
sigh, Blue Palasky Mar 2013 #10
Very engaging discussion BootinUp Mar 2013 #11
^ Thread kill. BootinUp Mar 2013 #12
Reminds me of that psycho lady from "Misery". NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #13
Even in her old age... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #14
so deceptive, isn't it? Volaris Mar 2013 #15
Wow. She is crazier and even more out of touch with reality than I imagined. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #16
she sounds like the current infotainment rightwing nutcases Skittles Mar 2013 #17
50 years from now Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #20
dangit the video ends at the best questioner RedstDem Mar 2013 #18
She looks like the woman in the 1970's anti-smoking photo. Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #19
It's easy to get everything wrong when you are a Russian emigre from Stalin. sfpcjock Mar 2013 #21

formercia

(18,479 posts)
2. Wears the colors of a Roman Slave
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

Most of us think of those colors for Halloween, but it goes back to a more distant Time.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
4. Oh look, its Paul Ryan and Rand Paul's hero... Isn't she just so sweet.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:09 PM
Mar 2013

Letting those boys be boys and companies do whatever they damn well please, all without any money coming in to pay for the "security" she feels is the only thing the govt should supply.

What a selfish lot.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
5. poor ayn
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:20 PM
Mar 2013

ayn rand took social security money in her last years

I do agree with one thing ayn rand used to say... that libertarianism is just a fancy word for 'collectivist' anarchists lol

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. Her arguments aren't even logical. Logic is A + B = C, so if A = D, then
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:53 PM
Mar 2013

D + B also = C. She jumps from A + B = C, so X + B = C. X? There's no X in that equation.

If there were no govt, then people would all do good things all the time, including giving money to the govt voluntarily. HA! Does she know ANYTHING about history?

Even a small group of people living in a commune out in nowhere will have a govt of sorts, and their own version of laws and punishment, public policy, taxes for the commune's benefit, etc.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
8. Paul Ryan Rand Paul Ayn Rand
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:56 PM
Mar 2013

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BootinUp

(47,139 posts)
11. Very engaging discussion
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:13 PM
Mar 2013

I already knew Ayn Rands views but Donahue does such a good job of exploring someones views that it adds something more.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
14. Even in her old age...
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:32 AM
Mar 2013

She appeared to think all you had to be (in order to success) is to conform to capitalism, regardless of sex.

Notice how a polite argument is met with aggressive idealism bullshit, all the while, collecting "entitlements".

A Fountainhead of horse shit...

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
15. so deceptive, isn't it?
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:05 AM
Mar 2013

The above poster is correct though, her logic fails her. An truly empowered Human knows full well that the only way to be REALLY safe from the worlds Tigers is to get together with the rest of the villagers and build a town fence. That we figured that out 30000 years ago is why we run the planet now, and NOT the Tigers.

The "smart" employer. LOL. She assumes that people are INHERENTLY driven by the better angels of their Nature (which, in other context, is an argument for a Creator God) and at same time claims that there is no such THING as a Nature that is either better OR worse.
Fool.

"Logic is the BEGINNING of Knowledge, not the end."

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
16. Wow. She is crazier and even more out of touch with reality than I imagined.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:33 AM
Mar 2013

"Taxes should be voluntary." "People would still pay their taxes if taxes were voluntary." (audience laughs) "Government should only do three things: Police, Courts, and military." "There is no sexism in America." (audience gasps)


Andy Stanton

(264 posts)
20. 50 years from now
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:36 PM
Mar 2013

People will be likewise be swooning over the words of the great libertarian thinkers of our time, Ron and Rand Paul.

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
18. dangit the video ends at the best questioner
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 08:43 AM
Mar 2013

I think she gets her head handed to her from the last women speaking on the clip.
she's not interesting enough for me to dig thru the internet looking for the whole thing.
just a tea bag looking for a boil...

sfpcjock

(1,936 posts)
21. It's easy to get everything wrong when you are a Russian emigre from Stalin.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:54 PM
Mar 2013

Unfortunately, The U.S. Constitution does not agree with her on the function of government.

1. Preamble
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

2. Taxing and Spending Clause

"All before, are calculated to regulate trade, and preserve or promote a mutually beneficial intercourse between the several constituent parts of the empire; and though many of them imposed duties on trade, yet those duties were always imposed with design to restrain the commerce of one part, that was injurious to another, and thus to promote the general welfare."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause

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