Hamas stopping human shields from getting medical treatment in Israeli Field hospitals: USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/11/israel-gaza-humanitarian-aid/13887853/Hamas is not permitting Palestinians to be treated at an Israeli military field hospital and its blood bank politely declined Israeli blood donation offers.
... An Israeli women's organization that is donating large amounts of items for new mothers and their babies did not want its name mentioned for fear Hamas officials who govern Gaza will reject the contributions if they know they were donated almost entirely by Jewish Israelis. So they are being delivered by a third party.
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4now
(1,596 posts)From the posted article:
"The United Nations has tallied more than 1,900 Gazan deaths, including 448 children and nearly 1,000 other civilians. An additional 250,000 Gazans have been left homeless, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry."
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)Blaming the victim describes the attempt to escape responsibility by placing the blame for the crime at the hands of the victim. Classically this is the rapist claiming his victim was "asking for it" by, for example, wearing a short skirt. Until recently, blaming the victim was largely how most rape victims experienced the investigation and litigation into claims of rape - often leading to women and men becoming unwilling to report it. It was not uncommon for a victim of rape to face a defense attorney who asked the victim about her (or, in the rare cases that a male victim went to court, his) sexual history, sexual preferences, drinking habits and even social status, all to paint her as less of a victim. In 2013, a Montana Judge said a 14 year old rape victim was equally responsible for her own rape because she "seemed older than her chronological age"[1]. A perfect example of blaming the victim.
Denying the victim is similar, but has a slight difference in that the perpetrator attempts to assert that he or she is the real victim. Denying the victim is generally less of a one-on-one scenario, and more topical, ie. "The real victims of the supposed 'mistreatment of women' are the children who have to grow up in homes where their mother wants to work instead of care for them." Denying the victims, in this sense, is often an attempt at historical revisionism, to make those charged with the crimes, look more or even totally innocent in the light of modern society.
Denial of the victim can also take the form of minimizing the number of victims or the severity of the offense. For example, the Roman Catholic Church played this game, when trying to claim the systematic child abuse by some priests were simply isolated events both individually and by priests at large. They also pushed the issue that the boys should not be described as "children," but "young men" to minimize the sense of how horrific these rapes were. Both blaming the victim and denying the victim are specific instances of neutralization.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Blaming_the_victim
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)for the deaths of Palestinians. This is quite easy to see. You are using the first rule of disinformation/propaganda - twisting the meaning of statements of those who disagree with you.
4now
(1,596 posts)You can choose to blame whoever you want but we all know who dropped the bombs.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)something out?
4now
(1,596 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)Selectively quoting and putting up a false and misleading headline. Typical apologist rubbish from an Israeli groupie.
4now
(1,596 posts)because there is really no way to justify the slaughter of civilians on such a level.
So they have to twist the news.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)article for everyone to read.
I pointed out a telling bit of information that I thought deserved attention - that Hamas is stopping Palestinians from getting medical help that is being provided by Israeli field hospitals. It seems a contemptible thing to do, but consistent with a group who is using the human shield tactic to advance their own agenda.
The entire article goes into the problem Israelis have, who want to provide help to Palestinians but know if the contributions can be seen by Hamas as coming from Israelis, that Hamas would not let the contributions get to the Palestinians it is intended for. this is entirely consistent with Hamas actions to prevent Palestinians from getting the medical help provided by Israeli field hospitals. There is nothing misleading in my headline. ... though I guess you hope by claiming it was, it would magically make your attempted deception true.
try to make your arguments without attempting to personally denigrate those who disagree with you. You only denigrate yourself in the process.. If you have sound arguments you wouldn't need to resort to patently dishonest tactics to make your case.
4now
(1,596 posts)I don't know why you would want to do that.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)eventually believe it must be true."
my previous comment:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=100345
[font size="3"]I pointed out a telling bit of information that I thought deserved attention[/font] - that Hamas is stopping Palestinians from getting medical help that is being provided by Israeli field hospitals. [font size="3"]It seems a contemptible thing to do, but consistent with a group who is using the human shield tactic to advance their own agenda. [/font]
The entire article goes into the problem Israelis have, who want to provide help to Palestinians but know if the contributions can be seen by Hamas as coming from Israelis, that Hamas would not let the contributions get to the Palestinians it is intended for. this is entirely consistent with Hamas actions to prevent Palestinians from getting the medical help provided by Israeli field hospitals. There is nothing misleading in my headline. ... though I guess you hope by claiming it was, it would magically make your attempted deception true.
I was the one who gave the readers the link to the article. At the risk of being obvious, giving the link IS A CLEAR INVITATION TO READ THE ARTICLE. I want people to read the article. There is no inconsistency between my title and the article's content. [font size="3"]Even if you wish there was, you can't change reality by wishing it to be different.[/font]
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Title: __ Hamas is stopping Palestinians from getting medical treatment offered at Israeli field hospitals (taken from article*)
Article: __ Israeli's sending contributions to help Palestinians are worried that if Hamas sees the contributions are coming from Israelis Hamas will intercept them and won't let them get to the Palestinians they are intended for.
* Here's the sentence from the article "Hamas is not permitting Palestinians to be treated at an Israeli military field hospital and its blood bank politely declined Israeli blood donation offers."
There is no inconsistency here. (Sorry 'bout that)
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)getting medical treatment in Israeli field hospitals?
intaglio
(8,170 posts)and observing the source?
What is praiseworthy about mindless support for a criminal regime and deliberately selective quotation?
And if you believe that Hamas is the organisation stopping people from receiving medical attention I suggest you check the following article from a less biased source.
Ambulance driver Rami 'Ali recounts attacks
Also you might want to consider the IDF has plenty of past history for using Palestinians as human shields UN: Palestinian children tortured, used as human shields by Israel
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Can anyone name a reporter who has ever seen Hamas use civilians as shields? Has any person in Gaza ever said they were used as a shield? The headquarters building of the Israeli military in Jerusalem is adjacent to a hospital and there are apartments nearby because it's a city with many different buildings. Isn't the same true in Gaza? I think in a city like Gaza City many civilians will inevitably be near Hamas facilities. I don't think that is "using civilian shields" anymore than the Israeli Defense Force uses civilian shields in Jerusalem. I will change my view if anyone has evidence, but so far I have not seen evidence.
markpkessinger
(8,381 posts). . . is that when nearly 2 million people are crammed into an area that is 25 miles long by 4 miles wide, there is very limited space available in which civilians wouldn't be at risk.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Why would they trust a military hospital with their children, the same military that considers them sub-human? I wouldn't trust the blood either, it has to be tested and preserved properly.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)single Israeli - man, woman and child.