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Zorro

(15,754 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:25 PM Jun 2013

The Retirement Savings Crisis: Is It Worse Than We Think?

Americans are highly anxious about their retirement security, and for good reason. Private sector employers have shifted away from traditional defined benefit (DB) pensions, which provide a stable source of income that lasts through retirement and are managed by professionals. Instead, most private sector employees with workplace retirement plans must rely upon defined contribution (DC) individual investment accounts, such as 401(k) plan accounts, which were originally designed to supplement—rather than replace—DB pensions. Now, the risk and much of the funding burden falls on individuals, who tend to have difficulty contributing enough on their own and who typically lack investment expertise. This shift from DB pensions to DC plans has significantly eroded the retirement readiness of Americans.

The financial crisis of 2008 highlighted the vulnerability of household retirement wealth in the new DC-centered system. Financial experts suggest that people need 8-11 times income in retirement assets in order to maintain their standard of living in retirement. In the current economic environment, some have increased the recommended contribution rate from 10 percent of pay to 15 percent in order to reach this target by retirement age. This is a hefty savings burden. The vast majority of households have not been able to accumulate sufficient retirement assets.

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The key findings of this report are as follows:
1. Account ownership rates are closely correlated with income and wealth. More than 38 million working age households (45 percent) do not own any retirement account assets, whether in an employer-sponsored 401(k) type plan or an IRA. Households that do own retirement accounts have significantly higher income and wealth—more than double the income and five times the non-retirement assets—than households that do not own a retirement account.

2. The average working household has virtually no retirement savings. When all households are included—
not just households with retirement accounts—the median retirement account balance is $3,000 for all working-age households and $12,000 for near-retirement households. Two-thirds of working households age 55-64 with at least one earner have retirement savings less than one times their annual income, which is far below what they will need to maintain their standard of living in retirement.

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More at: http://www.nirsonline.org/storage/nirs/documents/Retirement%20Savings%20Crisis/retirementsavingscrisis_final.pdf

It will be quite interesting to witness how this plays out in the political arena in years to come. It may lead to a general increase in the retirement age and a corresponding increase in the age to collect SS benefits etc.

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The Retirement Savings Crisis: Is It Worse Than We Think? (Original Post) Zorro Jun 2013 OP
Look for life spans to decrease. Downwinder Jun 2013 #1
"I'll be okay, I've got a couple hundred thousand in my 401K" Bennyboy Jun 2013 #2
Actually you don't need that much, maybe a 1/3 hollysmom Jun 2013 #3
I've never had $100,000/year to live on magical thyme Jun 2013 #4
Well nothing is absolute...... Bennyboy Jun 2013 #5
 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
2. "I'll be okay, I've got a couple hundred thousand in my 401K"
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jun 2013

I hear it all the time. Then. next thing you know that is G-O-N-E, gone. Then the reverse mortgage happens etc.....

I tell people that they better have at least three million and a paid off home before they retire at any age under 70 if using a 401K and and IRA for retirement funding..

By the time people in their 40's retire that number will be 5 million. And the Millennials, that number will ten million.

"What do you want to do when you retire?" "Travel" well add anther million then. the math is easy, if you are spending 100k a year now, you will spend that after you retire as well, especially if travel is involved with you plans. So retire ay 70 and live to 90. 20 years at 100K per year. 2 million, Now fige the inflation over 20 years and BINGO it will be 3 million dollars.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
3. Actually you don't need that much, maybe a 1/3
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:59 PM
Jun 2013

I didn't have a million in savings, but when I was laid off in my 50's I retired rather than struggle with another job. I don't live up to the manner of my working days, but I go out to eat and spend time with friends and volunteer work. the biggest expense drop was not buying dress clothes. I rarely wear anything but jeans or shorts and Tee shirts. I cut back on family gifts (especially money to niece and nephews college funds (they were warned years before), I regift a lot and don't really drive a lot or go on expensive vacations, but visit and stay with my new internet friends around the country. I have friends over for barbeque rather than fancy dinners. I rarely go to movies and don't miss it, I go to free concerts in the town instead.

With a paid off house in good condition, no debts, without having to help support my parents any more and now, I live on between 10 and 20k over social security.

Now, I have friends without savings and credit card debt - if that is how you go into retirement, good luck, you won't survive, you have to go into it debt free.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
4. I've never had $100,000/year to live on
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013


Most of my adult life I've lived on <$20K/year, even owning a horse. Even when my career took off and I grossed a little over $100K/year, I didn't take home or spend close to $100K.

I lost most of my retirement savings when I was laid off at 48. My house is paid for, but I took on student loan debt to make myself employable in my 50s and 60s.

As soon as I can sell my house, I can pay off the student loans and downsize my house and location, while increasing my acreage, cutting my property taxes in half and probably lowering my heating bill as well... and still have enough left over to fix up the new house (I've identified a couple of places to my north on the market for less than half what mine is).

Worst case, people adapt. If I lost everything, I'd look for a Buddhist monastery to join. There will be more co-habitation, growing your own food, etc. If you dread having to farm and garden, then you'll need to work and save more. Me, I look forward to it. I expect to volunteer at animal shelters and, depending on exactly where I end up, maybe even a favorite alternative radio station, for my social life. Free concerts in the summer, hiking, kayaking, cross-country skiing, stargazing, plenty to do here for free.

Depending on how it goes, I may not replace this car. There are rural places in my state where homesteaders are starting to rely on horse and carriage again. There are small farms up here where they never stopped using horses to plow and twitch logs...
 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
5. Well nothing is absolute......
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jun 2013

i've managed to live on NOTHING for so long it is a way of life. But most are not that way. They want to buy the latest things and drive new cars and wear nice clothes and buy RV's with two tip outs and travel here and there....

lets not forget that how much inflation there will be now between now and when you (or me) retires for good. (Which will not happen for me). Look back at housing and energy and healthcare from twenty years ago compared to now. Figure that will be the same rate of even higher..

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