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alsame

(7,784 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:46 PM Jun 2013

All the Infrastructure a Tyrant Would Need

All the Infrastructure a Tyrant Would Need, Courtesy of Bush and Obama
To an increasing degree, we're counting on having angels in office and making ourselves vulnerable to devils.
Conor Friedersdorf Jun 7 2013

Let's assume that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, their staffers, and every member of Congress for the last dozen years has always acted with pure motives in the realm of national security. Say they've used the power they've claimed, the technology they've developed, and the precedents they've established exclusively to fight al-Qaeda terrorists intent on killing us, that they've succeeded in disrupting what would've been successful attacks, and that Americans are lucky to have had men and women so moral, prudent, and incorruptible in charge.

Few Americans believe all of that to be so. Combining the people who didn't trust Bush and the ones who don't trust Obama adds up to a sizable part of the citizenry. But even if all the critics were proved wrong, even if the CIA, NSA, FBI, and every other branch of the federal government had been improbably filled, top to bottom, with incorruptible patriots constitutionally incapable of wrongdoing, this would still be so: The American people have no idea who the president will be in 2017. Nor do we know who'll sit on key Senate oversight committees, who will head the various national-security agencies, or whether the moral character of the people doing so, individually or in aggregate, will more closely resemble George Washington, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, John Yoo, or Vladimir Putin.

What we know is that the people in charge will possess the capacity to be tyrants -- to use power oppressively and unjustly -- to a degree that Americans in 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, or 2000 could've scarcely imagined. To an increasing degree, we're counting on having angels in office and making ourselves vulnerable to devils. Bush and Obama have built infrastructure any devil would lust after. Behold the items on an aspiring tyrant's checklist that they've provided their successors:

A precedent that allows the president to kill citizens in secret without prior judicial or legislative review

The power to detain prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial

Ongoing warrantless surveillance on millions of Americans accused of no wrongdoing, converted into a permanent
database so that data of innocents spied upon in 2007 can be accessed in 2027

Using ethnic profiling to choose the targets of secret spying, as the NYPD did with John Brennan's blessing

Normalizing situations in which the law itself is secret -- and whatever mischief is hiding in those secret interpretations

The permissibility of droning to death people whose identities are not even known to those doing the killing

The ability to collect DNA swabs of people who have been arrested even if they haven't been convicted of anything

A torture program that could be restarted with an executive order

More:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/all-the-infrastructure-a-tyrant-would-need-courtesy-of-bush-and-obama/276635/

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All the Infrastructure a Tyrant Would Need (Original Post) alsame Jun 2013 OP
the internet has created a social self disclosure, never seen in history markiv Jun 2013 #1
good ol' farcebook.... Raster Jun 2013 #2
"A torture program that could be restarted..." dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #3
presumably, the system of tyrannY is more important to them than any one tyrANT MisterP Jun 2013 #4
Burgeoning POLICE STATE, blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #5
"Burgeoning" POLICE STATE? Herlong Jun 2013 #6
"In an interview with journalist Matt Lewis, Friedersdorf stated that he has right-leaning views" struggle4progress Jun 2013 #7
 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
1. the internet has created a social self disclosure, never seen in history
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jun 2013

people say things on the internet, that they really believe, at least at that moment, that in prior times they wouldnt have even admitted to themselves

not everything you've ever posted can be assembled and traced back to you as an inndividual

but probably more than you think

a LOT more

and rest assured, that's being done, right now

not just by the government, but by private firms

ever wondered how facebook, a site that charges NO user fees, and has so many expenses, could be worth so many billions?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. "A torture program that could be restarted..."
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jun 2013

assumes it has been stopped.
Yet there are many on going reports that the torture is happening in various countires which are hosting "black prisons".

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. presumably, the system of tyrannY is more important to them than any one tyrANT
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jun 2013

like how the CIA likes impunity and secrecy better than any one thing or goal it achieves using that protection

 

Herlong

(649 posts)
6. "Burgeoning" POLICE STATE?
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jun 2013

Nice. Next 9/11, next 9/11 style president. Whatever I did in my youth, I was told leave it like you found it. Sorry future.

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