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lees1975

(3,894 posts)
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 02:37 PM Dec 2023

Evangelical Leaders are pointing out that Trumpism is the opposite of biblical Christianity

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2023/12/evangelical-experts-say-trumpism-is.html

It is a rather remarkable indictment of those who claim to be followers of Jesus that they would continue to show fealty to a man whose cruel ethic has always been antithetical to Jesus' and becomes more so every day. Many of the same people who celebrate Christianity's contributions to civilization--championing the belief that every human being has inherent rights and dignity, celebrating the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount and the parable of the Good Samaritan, and pointing to a 'transcendent order of hope and justice that stands above politics,' in the words of my late friend Michael Gerson--continue to stand foursquare behind a man who uses words that echo Mein Kampf. --Peter Wehrner, former GOP speechwriter, contributing editor at "The Atlantic."

Dr. Bill Leonard is a native Texan who is the founding dean of the Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and is professor emeritus of church history and Baptist studies. He, along with Nathaniel Manderson, a Baptist minister who made headlines this week by declaring that the Trumpism version of the Republican party is standing with Satan, and Tim Alberta, another Evangelical Christian writer for "The Atlantic," whose book The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism, is due to be released tomorrow, are all calling out the fascist, Nazi rhetoric now emanating from Trump, as antithetical to true, biblically sound Christianity.

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lees1975

(3,894 posts)
4. Nor was Liz Cheney a "friend" or someone I would support.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 03:21 PM
Dec 2023

But every one of these Republicans who "sees the light," so to speak, takes away support from Trump.

It's a stunning discovery for some of these people, that the Trump they imagined in their minds as this conservative, right wing champion of the right is a corrupt, thieving, lying orange headed sexual deviant pig.

A couple of months back, Dr. Russell Moore, editor of Christianity Today, related a story where a pastor had members of his congregation come up to him after a sermon asking where they got that "turn the other cheek" stuff, and then proclaiming, when he told them, "Jesus said it," that it was "weak."

A pastor friend of mine, a guy I went to college with, preached a rousing sermon in his church against the evils of some specific sins which he identified, and got the congregation going on "amens" and nods of agreement with what he said. Then he dropped the other shoe, and connected them to Trumpism. I asked him if he found a cross burning in his yard, or if he still had a job. He said he did, that only one lady stomped off out of the church and that most of his congregation had already come to grips with the fact that this wasn't a good thing and they were trying to figure out something else. That probably wouldn't happen everywhere, but this is a narrative that the old orange headed buffoon is opening the door to raising, and it's going to cost him at the ballot box.

patphil

(6,234 posts)
3. OMG! Is this the beginning of Evangelical wokeism?
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 03:16 PM
Dec 2023

Probably not. As my father used to say, "It's no more than a fart in a wind storm".

lees1975

(3,894 posts)
5. Probably not.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 03:22 PM
Dec 2023

But it won't take very many to trim off enough support to keep the orange headed buffoon out of the White House.

patricia92243

(12,606 posts)
6. RINO-MAGA reply: King David was not a perfect person and God used him mightly. Trump
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 03:49 PM
Dec 2023

is not perfect but God is using him mightily.

This is 100% what they believe.

lees1975

(3,894 posts)
7. Trump isn't in the same category as King David.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 04:23 PM
Dec 2023

David wasn't perfect, but he was loyal and faithful to God. Trump is only loyal to himself and his actions are satanic and evil. God never uses an evil person and requires people to give their loyalty to them in exchange for some good they might do.

ancianita

(36,164 posts)
11. But they are just three leaders. How far does their influence go? Do their writings list other evangelical leaders?
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:03 AM
Dec 2023

Or are they trying to influence Christian philanthropists? I can't see any connection, but then I'm not in that world.

The Atlantic has an interesting article about the influence of Evangelical philanthropists who say, “God is using this time, and Donald Trump, to purge the church,” he [Howard Ahmanson] told me. “Are you about Christ and the Gospel first, or is your church just a Sunday extension of your political team?”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/evangelical-mega-donors/578563/

lees1975

(3,894 posts)
12. Bill Leonard lists several in his piece which I am linking below.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 12:09 PM
Dec 2023

[link:https://baptistnews.com/article/are-our-churches-prepared-for-christian-autocracy/|]

Baptist News Global [link:https://baptistnews.com/| is also always a good source.

David Gushee, author of Defending Democracy from its Christian Enemies is a Southern Baptist ethicist, and no, that's not an oxymoron.

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