Understanding the True Nature of the Hamas-Israel War. A clear analysis. Joe Biden would approve this message.

[ancianita]

Below are excerpts from the beginning and end. The middle is long but well worth the read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/opinion/israel-palestinians-war-iran.html

The reason the Hamas-Israel war can be hard for outsiders to understand is that three wars are going on at the same time: a war between Israeli Jews and the Palestinians exacerbated by a terrorist group, a war within Israeli and Palestinian societies over the future, and a war between Iran and its proxies and America and its allies.

But before we dig into those wars, here’s the most important thing to keep in mind about them: There’s a single formula that can maximize the chances that the forces of decency can prevail in all three. It is the formula that I think President Biden is pushing, even if he can’t spell it all out publicly now — and we should all push it with him: You should want Hamas defeated; as many Gazan civilians as possible spared; Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and his extremist allies booted; all the hostages returned; Iran deterred; and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank reinvigorated in partnership with moderate Arab states...

1. The keystone for winning all three wars is a moderate, effective and legitimate Palestinian Authority that can replace Hamas in Gaza, be an active, credible partner for a two-state solution with Israel and thereby enable Saudi Arabia and other Arab Muslim states to justify normalizing relations with the Jewish state and isolating Iran and its proxies.

2. The anti-keystones are Hamas and Netanyahu’s far-right coalition that refuses to do anything to rebuild, let alone expand, the Palestinian Authority’s role.

3. Israel and its U.S. backer cannot create a sustainable post-Hamas regional alliance or permanently stabilize Gaza while Benjamin Netanyahu reigns as the prime minister of Israel.

[The Magistrate]

1. It's A Foolish Map, Ma'am

The 'historic Palestine' is simply the boundaries of the League of Nations Mandate granted England for twenty-five years, once Trans-Jordan had been split off from it as an Emirate for a Hashemite prince loyal to England. It does not comprise any long-standing national institutions, or any single coherent culture, save as it constitutes part of the Levant, between the social poles of Egypt and Syria.

The difference between the '47 map and that of '49 is not the result of any compromise, but the issue of war, won by one side and lost by the other. Which would have done a damned sight better for themselves if they'd accepted the compromise offered by the United Nations originally.

The final map is, I agree, an abomination. There would be no political will behind it, save for the legacy of Intafadas past, and threat of their repetition in future. Which has lately come to fruition in atrocious fashion. The hard men of both sides prop one another up like muskets in a stand of arms; unfortunately the hard men of Arab Palestine have never achieved a thing but increased misery and poorer prospects for their people.

The formula laid down by the author I agree with wholeheartedly. I hope it is possible to realize.

[comradebillyboy]

2. The first map simply shows the British displacement

of the Ottoman Empire as the ruler of that region. There has never been an actual Palestinian state. Falsifying history is a poor basis for an argument.

[cbabe]

3. Resource war (think bush Cheney Iraq)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134139127

Israel gives nod to Gaza Marine gas development, wants security assurances

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/

Israel gives nod to Gaza Marine gas development, wants security assurances

…more…

[Igel]

4. The gas field discoveries are recent.

But, to be completely forthcoming, until there's better characterization of the fields, the estimated gas reserves are entirely estimated. Might be more, might be less.