It's a good thing women won't date Trump voters

[marmar]

It's a good thing women won't date Trump voters
Now the Washington Post has joined a campaign to shame women for having the bare minimum "no Trump voters" standard

By AMANDA MARCOTTE
Senior Writer
PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 28, 2023 6:00AM (EST)


(Salon) It's an amusing truth that comes up with regularity: Men who love Donald Trump struggle on the dating market. This is neither surprising nor regrettable. Supporting Trump is much like refusing to bathe, blowing your nose in your hands or farting loudly on purpose. It's a repugnant habit that makes you repulsive to normal people. The whole point of dating and marriage is to find happiness, not to spend the rest of one's days suffering in silence while the racist you live with cackles over Greg Gutfeld's latest hateful diatribe disguised as "comedy."

This should be common sense. Yet our sexist culture remains too enamored by stories of female self-sacrifice to accept that it's just fine if Trump voters never get laid. Even people who really should know better have taken to bullying liberal women for their refusal to date male Trump voters. "If attitudes don’t shift, a political dating mismatch will threaten marriage," declared a recent headline of a Washington Post column by the editorial board. To make it even grosser, the op-ed was published the day before Thanksgiving, as if to arm "concerned" relatives who planned to spend the holiday pestering single women at dinner over when they will get serious about finding a husband.

In this unsigned essay, the authors fret that the "ideological divide" between young men and women is preventing Gen Z — who range in age from 9 to 27— from getting married. Women under 30 are far more likely to be liberal than men, who are far more likely to identify as conservative. Citing data showing Democratic voters generally refuse to date Trump voters, the Post editors argue that people should be more willing to date across party lines, and learn to appreciate "alternative perspectives that may at first seem odd or offensive."

....(snip)....

Marrying a Trump voter isn't just a matter of minor political differences, or expecting someone to be exactly like yourself. For women, in particular, it's about being able to be safe and respected inside your own home, which is a very minimum standard all people deserve. Voting for Trump means backing a man who has been accused of sexual assault by two dozen women, and who a judge and jury deemed responsible for rape. It means backing the man who repeatedly brags about how he got Roe v. Wade overturned. In addition, the MAGA media consumed by most Republicans is hardly neutral on the question of sexism. They are all for it, from the tired sexist jokes on Fox News to bizarre internet trends like "tradwives." For a woman, marrying a Trump supporter isn't about being with someone who has different views on tax rates. It's bringing someone into your home who ascribes to an ideology in which you are not fully human. .................(more)

https://www.salon.com/2023/11/28/its-a-good-thing-women-wont-date/

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Interesting conflict

Conservative men want a captive breeder for food and sex. That deal's not so available anymore.

[Chi67]

2. It's not just women

Most of us gay men won't date Trumpers either. Because...well that would be insane. And trust me- gay Trumpers do exist.

[PJMcK]

11. I do trust your last point

The profound cognitive dissonance of an LGBTQ+ person supporting ANY Republican, let alone Trump, blows my mind. But I’m acquainted with two gay men- one is a gentleman the other an ass- who both support Trump. Weird.

It’s similar to women who support Trump. To me, it doesn’t make any sense. As Ms. Marcotte points out in her Salon article:

For a woman, marrying a Trump supporter isn't about being with someone who has different views on tax rates. It's bringing someone into your home who ascribes to an ideology in which you are not fully human.

Not that it matters but isn’t George Santos gay? Of course, he’s a complete fraud.

[PaulnFortWorth]

28. How Could Women, Gays, minorities or non-evangelicals support tRump?

There are so many reasons not to. tRump supporters TEND to HATE whoever they are encouraged to hate by fox news, newsmax and other right-wing entities. Also, include Jews, Muslims, or anybody non-Christian.

Marriage is about LOVE, not Hate. And if your life is about hating, then loving somebody gets dangerously complicated. How about a republican guy who owns three rifles including an AR-15? Would he be considered prime dating material?

Women influence our society in a very helpful manner: they decide who to breed with. That is an important reason why America is so attractive to people around the world. Women in America are not sent to a "period hut" like India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57335518

[mwooldri]

31. Exactly.

If I were single I wouldn't date a Trump supporter. My wife though is a single issue voter... Healthcare. I don't see her voting Republican any time soon in the future. Me however I'll only consider thinking about voting for Trump when I'm pushing up daisies.

[niyad]

3. And the patriarchal WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would

you consider cross-posting this in Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.

So it isn't enough that we have no bodily autonomy? Now the control extends even to our social lives? Once again, it is all about controlling women. One of the underlying ideas here is that enough white babies are not being produced, so let us force the situation. FUCK wapo.

(and, unsigned. They dare not put their names to this WOMAN-HATING BS)

[niyad]

4. Does anybody here still have one of those "he's available"

images? I am thinking of one that circulated here for a time, guy was, shall we say, not svelte, almost naked, tats, sprawled out.

[IronLionZion]

9. Here's one with Steve Bannon

[eppur_se_muova]

20. That's probably the most respectable-looking photo of SB I've ever seen. nt

[NNadir]

5. Shades of Lysistrata.

It's Aristophanes play wherein women refuse to have sex with men until they stop fighting the Peloponnedian War.

[DFW]

6. The WaPo is, quite simply, full of shit on this

A woman can and should decide quite on her own whom she dates, sleeps with and marries. If she decides that a man who supports someone with Trump’s stated and demonstrated values is not for her, who the hell is some (frustrated?) Post op-ed writer to tell her she’s wrong?

If a majority of women in DC find Trump abhorrent, it’s only logical that they would find a man who agrees with Trump’s values equally abhorrent. If these guys think Trump is so great, let them seek out women who agree with them. If there are none to be found, and that doesn’t tell them something, let them go whine on the op-ed pages of the local paper in Biloxi, and then move there if and when scores of attractive Trump-supporting women make their masochistic identities and desires known.

[MadameButterfly]

32. I wouldn't marry someone who significantly disagrees with me on politics

because it says something about who we are. How would I decide how to raise a child with someone if we can't agree on feeding the poor and waging war or peace?

My husband and I love to debate politics--I know people who have to avoid such discussions with their spouses. i can't even imagine.

This was before being Republican meant you were a fascist. Now it's time to get serious. They're trying to take everything away from the rest of us, potentially commit mass murder, and destroy the planet. I'm not going to be civil about that.

Methinks the Post writer is a frustrated Republican who has no clue about women or what is going on in the world. Maybe he's in the wrong line of work.

[DFW]

44. It certainly sounds like someone who thinks that women should be "open-minded"

Right—open-minded about dating guys who are anything but!

[Ohioboy]

7. Not dating Trump supporters is a good thing...

For the overall national gene pool.

[JohnnyRingo]

8. Reminds me of a cartoon ....

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[LymphocyteLover]

52. LOL!

[IronLionZion]

10. That was a weird op-ed from the WaPo editorial board

Conservatives are a generally frustrated and hateful tribe. Good luck with that.

Liberals like some joy and optimism in life.

[LymphocyteLover]

53. Trumpers are happy around each other... at least at his stupid rallies

it's back in reality where they run into trouble

[IronLionZion]

56. Liberals hope to create a bright and wonderful future

Conservatives believe our best days are behind us, mostly because they misremember the past and don't want to talk about the bad stuff.

[LymphocyteLover]

59. true

[yardwork]

12. The WaPo Editorial Board column left me open mouthed.

I am astounded at this drivel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/22/marriage-polarization-dating-trump/

[chouchou]

13. Here in Florida (and most likely elsewhere)

..my male acquaintances, who are liberal, wouldn't touch a republican woman to date.
I've asked them about the subject. Most use words like "Not that bright, kinda' phony, money grabber, shallow"
In short, the pendulum swings both ways.

[IronLionZion]

21. Same, I generally steer clear of conservatives, MAGA, Qonspiracy nuts, etc.

Many MAGA women are trashy. And the educated professional ones tend to look down on lower income workers.

[SouthernDem4ever]

35. All Maga women are trashy

You would have to be to vote for trash like Drump.

[2naSalit]

14. Gee...

Next the will be telling us that we are somehow obligated to at least service these disgusting individuals because they need love too.

I can just hear it coming out in the next screed.

[LiberalArkie]

15. Idiocracy would be the outcome.

[progressoid]

16. Good read.

[Scrivener7]

17. So many men are just so clueless. They really think their hatred of women doesn't show.

And yes, I use the word "hatred" intentionally. Because the evidence for hatred smacks women in the head every hour of every damn day.

[nevergiveup]

18. How times have changed.

My mother was an FDR Democrat and an election judge and my father was a small businessman Eisenhower Republican. Every time they voted they would cancel each others votes and I do remember one time when dad was laughing about it but I never once heard them argue politics. They lived happily together for almost 60 years.

[FakeNoose]

43. In those days the Republican Party was a very different thing

I like to call it "my Grandpa's Republican Party."

Everything started to change with Nixon... then it really spiralled downward with Reagan, Newt Gingrich, Dubya, Cheney, yadda, yadda. We all know what happened after that.

[mwb970]

50. Reagan set America on a downward spiral from which it has never recovered.

I was SURE that Reagan would forever remain the worst president of my lifetime. BOY was I wrong!!

There is a straight line pointing downward through w bush and Palin and ending at the very bottom with the impossibly vile trump.

[Wednesdays]

55. Just think of how things will become if THAT trajectory continues!

[Grokenstein]

19. Fascism isn't a "difference of opinion."

No matter how hard rightwankers try to convince us that's all it is.

[Beacool]

22. I would never be in a relationship with a Trump supporter.

A man who supports Trump is someone who I would have nothing in common. Ditto for most Republicans.

Life's too short to be fighting over a POS like Trump.

[maxsolomon]

23. Where are the angry threats to cancel WaPo subscriptions?

If this OpEd were in the NYT this thread would be full of them.

Maybe no one has WaPo subscriptions?

[reACTIONary]

40. Don't know, but...

... I subscribe to both. If anyone wants to read the WaPo article first hand, here is a link, no paywall: https://wapo.st/46uryms

[IronLionZion]

41. I subscribe to WaPo

it's my local paper. Despite this idiotic rage bait OpEd, they do have some decent reporting on other issues.

[wryter2000]

24. Conservative vs. Trump voter

They bemoan the mis-match of Gen Z women and men because the men are "more conservative.". The issue isn't dating a conservative. It's dating a Trump voter. There's a big difference.

[DFW]

29. Very true. There are no conservatives in the Republican party.

They can hijack it all they want, but they can't hijack the meaning of the word.

Just like their phony "Christians:" going inside a church every Sunday doesn't make you a Christian any more than going inside a garage every Sunday makes you a car.

[TeamProg]

25. K&R !

[Jilly_in_VA]

26. keeps their population down

[calimary]

33. You took the first thought right outta my head!

[SergeStorms]

58. Could that possibly be.....

one reason why red-states are completely set against a woman's right of choice regarding abortion?
These MAGAt incels will resort to rape to satisfy their reptilian carnal urges, and right-wing courts wouldn't want a woman to have any say about bringing that highly tainted fetus to term?
I sincerely doubt that's their main concern about abortion, but it just might be an ancillary reason for their total disregard for a woman's right to choose.

[Warpy]

27. Those guys don't want to date women

They want to date jail bait, permanent teeth just starting to come in.

So they hang around the fundagelical churches, hoping to find one with really stupid parents and who they can groom into a barely legal marriage with parental consent.

[hvn_nbr_2]

30. My God, WaPo!

If a man adores the brazen, blatant liar and isn't bothered by his mountains of lies, then he's almost certainly a liar. If she dates him, he'll lie to her, but WaPo wants her to date the liar. Apparently WaPo thinks that dating liars is a good way to find a good relationship, or at least you should give it a try.

If a man adores the brazen, blatant racist, then he's almost certainly a racist too. If she dates him, he'll be racist with her and her friends, but WaPo wants her to date the racist who will hate her black and brown friends and embarrass her to her non-racist friends. My God, WaPo, have you lost your mind? Or only your morals?

If a man adores the misogynist , serial rapist and molester, and is quite happy with the grab-'em-by-the-pussy guy, then he's almost certainly a misogynist who will consider it his right to molest her and grab her by the pussy. My God, WaPo, you have definitely lost your morals and probably your mind too.

WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate "alternative perspectives that may at first seem odd or offensive." Apparently WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate liars because lying only seems odd or offensive "at first," but you'll get used to it and appreciate it.

WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate racism, because it only seems odd and offensive "at first," but you'll get used to it and appreciate it.

WaPo thinks that women should learn to appreciate misogyny, rape, and molestation, because they'll only seem odd and offensive "at first" until you get used to them and appreciate them.

WaPo thinks that refusing to date men who adore lying, racism, and rape is a serious threat to marriage. I think that WaPo is a serious threat to women.

How far you've fallen, WaPo.

[GopherGal]

45. Paraphrased: "Women need to lower their standards"

Deja vu. Was it early nineties? Late 1980s? when they came out with the "an unmarried woman over 35 is more likely to be struck by lightning than find a husband" or whatever trumped up statistics/pseudo-science was their purported basis for the "women gotta settle" message that time.

Ties right in with the Repuke/MRA/incel mindset of "we've got to limit women's options to access good education/careers and control their bodies so that they'll be forced to tie themselves via marriage to low-quality men like us"

[slightlv]

34. This article is so stupid

And ridiculous, I have to wonder if they made it up out of whole cloth just to create controversy and sell newspapers! Why didn't they also flip the coin..... Most liberal Men won't have anything to do with Maga women, either. The whole thing is just so inane.

If it wasn't just to brew up controversy, then the editors need to get their heads out of their butts. We have rip roaring political debates in this house, but most center about the degree TO which Maga and Trump should be punished. My brother is a one issue conservative (guns) and I learned from early childhood on I could never marry anyone that even resembles him. He actually found someone but she's so submissive both my sister and I can find nothing in common with her. Mom tried for years and even she gave up on finding common cause.

[calimary]

37. Stupid, AND really offensive.

THAT'S how they see us?

Well, FUCK That!

Every day, every bit of exposure I have to stuff like this, the more grateful I am that I found the guy I did (and that he found me)! We're a very good and very compatible match. Thank goodness!

[reACTIONary]

39. Did you get a chance to read the article itself? If not, here is a link....

... no paywall. https://wapo.st/46uryms

[IronLionZion]

42. I have no interest in MAGA women

they are quite trashy and unpleasant

[spooky3]

36. Strange. If women have trouble attracting people, they are told to improve themselves. Millions of

self-help books are sold to try to tell them what must be changed in order to be good enough.

But if male Trumpers have trouble attracting people, then women are scolded for being too close-minded, or worse.

I wonder why that is....

What's next, scolding people of color for not being best friends with people who hate them and see them as second class citizens?

[reACTIONary]

38. Here is the WaPo article...

... no paywall. Might want to take a first hand look at it.

https://wapo.st/46uryms

[raising2moredems]

46. Magats..

nary a one of them deserve a significant other. And we should all hope like Hades none of them manages to reproduce. Women no longer have to "settle". We can take care of our selves just fine thank-u-very-much. AND we don't need magats IF we choose to parent a child. Independent, self-reliant women are wing nuts worst nightmare. We do *NOT* have to "settle".

[Mr.Bill]

47. It's not about differences in political

opinions, it's about a woman being expected to marry and perhaps have children with someone who is astoundingly stupid. That's never been a good choice.

[IbogaProject]

48. Ah the "free market" posse are sad the market devalues them

I'm laughing and hope this plus higher GOP COVID deaths and public sentiments move the electorate to the left rapidly. Not a little but a regrowth of progressive political and social change.

[mwb970]

49. What woman in her right mind would even CONSIDER dating a MAGA moron??

Nothing good can possibly come from such a self-destructive move.

[SouthernDem4ever]

51. I disagree completely with the folling statement fromt Wapo article:

In some ways, polarization is exactly what one would expect in a large, unwieldy democracy such as the United States’. Americans no longer agree on many questions of how to live or what to live for. These differences can’t just be papered over through good-faith dialogue — because they are real.

No, they aren't real. They are the result of propaganda manufactured rage and hate. Since Noot Gangrenous ran the house the dialogue has turned from "how can we make the US a better place for everyone" to "how can we demonize everyone that questions our twisted perception of reality."

[LymphocyteLover]

54. Amanda Marcotte is always worth a read

[gay texan]

57. From the WaPo article

"This mismatch means that someone will need to compromise."

Fuck you. I will not comprimise.