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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 04:39 PM Nov 2023

Netanyahu is a liability for Biden. Peace is impossible until he goes Simon Tisdall



(snip)

His advice not to be “consumed by rage” was ignored. Since then, he has appeared to give Netanyahu free rein, or at least failed to rein him in. And Netanyahu, an unscrupulous hard-right nationalist and ardent Donald Trump fan, is no friend to Biden.

The US would like a time limit on the war, but Netanyahu will not stop shooting until he can claim Hamas is wholly eradicated – a practical impossibility. He frequently talks about a “long war”. It’s his best hope of staying in office and out of jail.

Dismissing Biden’s warnings, he aims to retain control of Gaza indefinitely. As ever, he rejects a two-state solution. Fewer than 4% of Jewish Israelis trust Netanyahu to tell the truth about the war, one poll found.

(snip)

Whether the question is Gaza’s future, Palestinian statehood, the Iranian threat or honest democratic governance, Netanyahu is a liability, more so now than before the war. Memo to Joe: there can be no peace while Bibi rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/18/netanyahu-liability-joe-biden-peace-impossible-israel-gaza


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Netanyahu is a liability for Biden. Peace is impossible until he goes Simon Tisdall (Original Post) Uncle Joe Nov 2023 OP
Unfortunately, I fear there won't ever be peace there. calimary Nov 2023 #1
Gee, now I feel Age Old. Basic LA Nov 2023 #4
And each backing their claims with interpretations of God's will. That's about as hopeless as it gets. paleotn Nov 2023 #12
YEP T_A Nov 2023 #2
Biden has NEVER been a fan of Netanyahu. NEVER. But unless the Israelis force him out, hlthe2b Nov 2023 #3
Biden can't control Netanyahu. Only Israeli citizens can do that. Lonestarblue Nov 2023 #11
Biden AnnaLee Nov 2023 #5
Which not surprisingly he does most of the time! PortTack Nov 2023 #6
I think that Islamist terrorist groups are like a Hydra tornado34jh Nov 2023 #7
Also ShazzieB Nov 2023 #15
Nutty-yahoo wants a never-ending war to keep him in power. Crowman2009 Nov 2023 #8
Your post made me wonder what kind of protections the Israeli people have Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #9
Once things settle down, he knows he's cooked. paleotn Nov 2023 #13
I support and trust President Biden. yardwork Nov 2023 #10
The last part sums it up. An extremely difficult situation. paleotn Nov 2023 #14
How did Netanyahu become Biden's fault? SunSeeker Nov 2023 #16
I believe it's because *rump isn't in power, sort of like Nixon in 68 Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #18
Trump has power over the Republican party, who support Netanyahu. SunSeeker Nov 2023 #20
*rump is a soulmate of Netanyahu and has about as much regard Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #21
I think Obama also had his issues with Netanyahu if I am not mistaken tornado34jh Nov 2023 #17
Agree Faux pas Nov 2023 #19

calimary

(81,267 posts)
1. Unfortunately, I fear there won't ever be peace there.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 04:44 PM
Nov 2023

How do you solve an age-old dispute like this, where (as I understand it) there are two opposing sides both claiming ownership of the same single stretch of land?

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
12. And each backing their claims with interpretations of God's will. That's about as hopeless as it gets.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:08 PM
Nov 2023

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
3. Biden has NEVER been a fan of Netanyahu. NEVER. But unless the Israelis force him out,
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 04:57 PM
Nov 2023

what the hell is Biden supposed to do? Obviously, he'll do everything possible behind the scenes to assert pressure and call out Netanyahu where he can. I worry that Netanyahu feels he now has "nothing left to lose" in the conduct of this war, given his very unfavorable political status.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
11. Biden can't control Netanyahu. Only Israeli citizens can do that.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:46 PM
Nov 2023

It must be frustrating for those not part of the hard right to see the damage that Bibi is doing to Israel’s reputation around the world, just as we were frustrated by Trump. Fortunately, we got rid of Trump. Israel needs another election to get rid of Bibi.

tornado34jh

(922 posts)
7. I think that Islamist terrorist groups are like a Hydra
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:14 PM
Nov 2023

You can cut the head of it as many times you like. It will just keep regrowing back. Even if the Palestinians didn't support Hamas, they get support from elsewhere. It is impossible to completely eradicate Hamas. I think there is anywhere between 20,000-25,000 members of Hamas, but that's not counting the recruitment that they are probably currently doing, so it might be higher than that. We never eliminated the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, so what makes anybody think this will be any different with Hamas? We'll never eliminate religious terrorism, regardless of religion, no matter how many times we try. As long as people believe it, it will always be there.

ShazzieB

(16,399 posts)
15. Also
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:46 PM
Nov 2023

I keep reading that the top leaders of Hamas are in some other country (Qatar?). It sounds like no matter how many "foot soldiers" Bibi kills, they can just keep recruiting new ones. That's what worries me.

Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
8. Nutty-yahoo wants a never-ending war to keep him in power.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:19 PM
Nov 2023

Seems that the right-wing in Israel is similar to America.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
9. Your post made me wonder what kind of protections the Israeli people have
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:26 PM
Nov 2023

from an autocrat taking over from within?

The American People had/have legal recourse against *rump because of his blatant violation (s) of the Constitution but from my limited understanding of Israel's government, they don't have a Constitution.

Of course having said all that, it's not absolutely for certain that the American People will win out against *rump just yet.



yardwork

(61,608 posts)
10. I support and trust President Biden.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:37 PM
Nov 2023

I trust that his administration is doing the best they can with a very difficult situation.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
14. The last part sums it up. An extremely difficult situation.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:15 PM
Nov 2023

He's threaded that needle about as good as anyone could. Of course ill informed and unworkable solutions are a plenty from the US peanut gallery, left and right.

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
16. How did Netanyahu become Biden's fault?
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:53 PM
Nov 2023

Netanyahu is Trump's buddy. Why aren't these so-called "Free Palenstine" protesters disrupting Trump rallies or holding protests down in Mar-a-Lago?

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
18. I believe it's because *rump isn't in power, sort of like Nixon in 68
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:47 PM
Nov 2023

I also believe that many if not most people believe that "The buck stops with the President." so whether fair or not, that's who catches the blame for catastrophes

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
20. Trump has power over the Republican party, who support Netanyahu.
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:18 AM
Nov 2023

The Republicans control Congress and the Supreme Court. Pretty stupid to protest Biden when it's Trump and the Republicans who have supported Netanyahu and his right wing policies. Indeed, Republicans have tried to copy those policies. And yet there are no protests at the RNC or Mar-a-Lago. Putin must be pleased.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
21. *rump is a soulmate of Netanyahu and has about as much regard
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 01:00 PM
Nov 2023

for the Palestinian people as the latter.

Why would *rump ever entertain the idea of speaking up for a minority, he's never done it before?

I agree that Putin is pleased.

tornado34jh

(922 posts)
17. I think Obama also had his issues with Netanyahu if I am not mistaken
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:41 PM
Nov 2023

People thought he was Muslim because he didn't all-out support Israel, or more specifically, Netanyahu

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