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(47,551 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 04:13 PM Nov 2023

Challenging the misguided Holocaust-Gaza comparisons

A month after the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, there is a moral inversion of history taking place. Israel is being accused of genocide by protesters, human rights activists and some media in response to its military campaign against the Hamas regime in Gaza. Not only is it a debasement of the term genocide, it is a distortion of the Holocaust that fuels the surge in antisemitism worldwide.

It strains credulity that as we have recently commemorated the 85th anniversary of Kristallnacht November 9, 1938, the infamous antisemitic pogrom in Germany marking the onset of the Holocaust, Jews are being accused of mass murder. Over 1500 Israelis, mostly civilians, were murdered by Hamas terrorists, many of them tortured and raped, while 250 innocents were kidnapped and taken hostage in Gaza. Yet these horrific crimes have been diminished, ignored and even celebrated by those who accuse Israel of genocide.

“Genocide” is a legal term that requires intent to destroy an entire people, ethnicity or nation. In no way does it apply to Israel’s actions to defend itself. Yet critics of Israel have manipulated the memory of the Holocaust to turn it against the Jewish state, a familiar demonization throughout history. It is a perversion of fact and international law. It is dangerous. It is antisemitic.

Indeed, the barbaric actions of the Hamas terrorists and its charter, which calls for the elimination of the state of Israel, fit the legal description of genocide. And anti-Israel protesters’ slogan, “from the river to the sea” is, as many in Congress have acknowledged, “a genocidal call to violence to destroy the state of Israel and its people to replace it with a Palestinian state extending from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.”

More..

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bksymnfva

Deborah Lauter is the Executive Director of The Olga Lengyel Institute for Holocaust Studies and Human Rights

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Challenging the misguided Holocaust-Gaza comparisons (Original Post) question everything Nov 2023 OP
DU Rec yardwork Nov 2023 #1
Yep. CincyDem Nov 2023 #2
Kick yardwork Nov 2023 #3
Insightful essay, and I hope more DUers take note FakeNoose Nov 2023 #4
I'm going to keep kicking this. yardwork Nov 2023 #5
Look at a map of Israel versus Arabs. Igel Nov 2023 #6
Jewish people are a tiny minority. yardwork Nov 2023 #7
There have been many genocides in the 20th century. The most notable are of course the Holocaust question everything Nov 2023 #9
Sanity at last! And a kick! JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #8

CincyDem

(6,410 posts)
2. Yep.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 04:31 PM
Nov 2023

There’s more than just a little anti-semitism, both tacit and proactive, lurking just beneath a thin veil of civility.

There’s a big difference between 2018’s “Jews will not replace us” and today’s “you know…you can’t really trust them” (in talking about information from Israeli sources) of today. They’re different but they rhyme.


FakeNoose

(32,833 posts)
4. Insightful essay, and I hope more DUers take note
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 06:45 PM
Nov 2023
It strains credulity that as we have recently commemorated the 85th anniversary of Kristallnacht November 9, 1938, the infamous antisemitic pogrom in Germany marking the onset of the Holocaust, Jews are being accused of mass murder.


Igel

(35,382 posts)
6. Look at a map of Israel versus Arabs.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:10 AM
Nov 2023

That's Israel advocates versus everybody else.

This is the beleaguered minority that, because of whatever, is oppressor.

A group can be disproportionately the victim of hate crimes, but that's ignored. Because ... of vivisectionality. (Did I misspell that?)

yardwork

(61,729 posts)
7. Jewish people are a tiny minority.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:42 AM
Nov 2023

According to Wikipedia today, As of 2023, the world's "core" Jewish population (those identifying as Jews above all else) was estimated at 16.1 million,[1][2] 0.2% of the 8 billion worldwide population.

For those scanning quickly, that's two tenths of one percent of the world's population.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country#:~:text=As%20of%202023%2C%20the%20world's,the%208%20billion%20worldwide%20population.

Most of the world's Jewish population - about 51% - live in the United States. About 30% of the global Jewish population lives in Israel. The rest are spread around the world in tiny proportion to the populations of various countries.



question everything

(47,551 posts)
9. There have been many genocides in the 20th century. The most notable are of course the Holocaust
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:55 PM
Nov 2023

when 6 million Jews were murdered through the "final solution"

The Armenian Genocide of 1915-1916

On 24 April 1915, the Ottoman authorities arrested and deported hundreds of Armenian intellectuals and leaders from Constantinople. At the orders of Talaat Pasha, an estimated 800,000 to 1.2 million Armenians were sent on death marches to the Syrian Desert in 1915 and 1916. Driven forward by paramilitary escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to robbery, rape, and massacres. In the Syrian Desert, the survivors were dispersed into concentration camps. In 1916, another wave of massacres was ordered, leaving about 200,000 deportees alive by the end of the year. Around 100,000 to 200,000 Armenian women and children were forcibly converted to Islam and integrated into Muslim households. Massacres and ethnic cleansing of Armenian survivors continued through the Turkish War of Independence after World War I, carried out by Turkish nationalists.

The Cambodian Genocide pf 1975- 1979

The Cambodian genocide[a] was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Communist Party of Kampuchea general secretary Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly a quarter of Cambodia's population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million).[1][2][3][4] It is an example of democide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

The Uyghur Genocide 2014-

The Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is often characterized as genocide. Beginning in 2014, the Chinese government, under the administration of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) General Secretary Xi Jinping, incarcerated more than an estimated one million Turkic Muslims without any legal process in internment camps. Operations from 2016 to 2021 were led by Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo.[2] It is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[3][4] The Chinese government began to wind down the camps in 2019. Amnesty International states that detainees have been increasingly transferred to the formal penal system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

What is interesting that the Uyghur are Muslims and yet we do not hear any protests about their treatments





JustAnotherGen

(31,969 posts)
8. Sanity at last! And a kick!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:11 PM
Nov 2023

The only thing I can compare this insanity to is the decades of Americans believing horse shit about race riots.

Like - yeah . . . poor white folks in Tulsa fought back again their rich fascist oppressors. Or - there was both sides nonsense being taught .

I'm not falling for this "Israelis are fascists nonsense". Its bullshit.

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