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[BootinUp]

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[justaprogressive]

1. My,

isn't that odd.

[LymphocyteLover]

2. WTF!!! (also the mastodon link is not working)

[niyad]

4. No, it does not. After a few seconds, the paywall comes up.

[niyad]

14. Thank you. That one worked. The article is horrifying, and I

am still crying.

[LymphocyteLover]

5. Seems like massive artillery bombardments caused severe mental damage to the artillerymen

basically, they are all getting traumatic brain injuries

[paleotn]

6. No different than the experiences of others in different conflicts over the centuries.

Warfare, particularly modern warfare, isn't a natural human activity and leaves deep psychological scares. My mom said my dad had nightmares all his adult life from what he experienced in Europe during WW2. They never went away.

[paleotn]

19. Ah. Got it. Not surprising.

As with most things like this, we're finally beginning to understand the physical impacts. Massed artillery fire really isn't anything new. WW1 and WW2 were full of it. Germans in WW2 thought less of US ground troops because we leaned heavily on our superiority in artillery to plaster a position for hours, sometimes days, before advancing. Russians did the same.

[niyad]

17. If you read the article, then you know that they are talking

about exposures never seen before, not just the weapons, but the concentration of fire.

[paleotn]

20. Very interesting article. Scary stuff.

Actually read the article and not fire from the hip? Surely not.

[Lovie777]

9. My father-in-law is a Vietnam veteran who fought in heavy combat....................

We try and keep him away from watching war movies especially the ones about the Vietnam war. He occasionally flips out tho such as an incident surrounding a site in Vietnam where he along with other US soldiers were stationed.

"Every night the Viet - Cong would say to them - tonight Marines you will die".

[LymphocyteLover]

10. Of course there's a trump link

"The relentless firing was being driven by a small, top-secret Army Delta Force group called Task Force 9. President Donald J. Trump had given the task force broad authority to use heavy firepower, and the task force applied it with savage enthusiasm, often bending the rules to hit not just enemy positions, but also mosques, schools, dams and power plants."

[niyad]

15. That jumped out at me.

[Firestorm49]

11. Sorry, can't get in without a subscription..

[niyad]

13. I cannot say what I would really like to. But FUCK T####, FUCK

the goddamned military. FUCK WAR. This is the Agent Orange horror on an exponential scale. I would say unimaginable, but, sadly, completely unsurprising. Our own people are actual cannon fodder, and the military does what it did with the troops in Vietnam, deny, evade, equivocate, apply bandaids.

May all involved receive everything they deserve.

[70sEraVet]

18. A full review is needed, of gun-crew personnell who were discharged with...

'Other-than-honorable' papers.
"Others who started acting strangely after the deployments were simply dismissed as problems, punished for misconduct and forced out of the military in punitive ways that cut them off from the veterans’ health care benefits that they now desperately need."

[Uncle Joe]

21. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread BootinUp

[TygrBright]

22. This Yahoo link works and is paywall-free:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/secret-war-strange-wounds-silence-160656913.html

My Senators and Congresscritter are getting hard copy letters on this one.

It is a DISGRACE that both the Army and the Marines were discharging these soldiers and marines EVEN AFTER they were aware that serious problems had surfaced related to high-frequency/high intensity artillery unit missions.

It is a DISGRACE that we are not doing a better job of holding military leadership and the civilian leadership tasking them accountable for the safety and well-being of ALL personnel involved in ANY kind of mission.

sorrowfully,
Bright