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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,256 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 07:51 PM Oct 2023

Let's count the reasons Democrats have no business helping the House GOP elect a speaker

It’s not worth debating the daily drivel from former Speaker Kevin McCarthy that his sacking three weeks ago, and Republicans' failure to unite behind a successor, is Democrats’ fault — that Democrats, by voting with a minority of Republicans first against McCarthy and then against seditionist Rep. Jim Jordan, are to blame for the House’s ongoing paralysis.

Just ask yourself: If a Democrat had moved to unseat McCarthy’s predecessor, Rep. Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco, would McCarthy and other Republicans have voted to keep his fellow Californian in the job?

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That brings us back to the question of why Democrats didn’t help McCarthy, if only to avoid ending up with a worse speaker (as Jordan’s candidacy threatened). For starters, McCarthy refused just hours before his defenestration to bargain with Democrats.

Not only did he not offer Democrats anything — he gave them more than ample reason to oppose him. Two days before the Republican motion to unseat him, McCarthy enraged Democrats by falsely claiming on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that they’d tried to block his stopgap government-funding compromise that averted a federal shutdown. In fact, Democrats had merely sought a few hours to read the bill — justifiably not trusting McCarthy’s description of it — and then provided more votes than Republicans did to pass the measure.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/calmes-lets-count-reasons-democrats-220217348.html

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Let's count the reasons Democrats have no business helping the House GOP elect a speaker (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2023 OP
The biggest reason not to help put one in is that the Dems lack the votes to RockRaven Oct 2023 #1
That's a damned good point. TomSlick Oct 2023 #5
K&R BootinUp Oct 2023 #2
Dear Yahoo: Use fewer words. Instead of "falsely claiming," just use "lying." Beartracks Oct 2023 #3
Damn! I wanna write about this NOW! calimary Oct 2023 #4
Absolutely. No reason for Democrats to volunteer to be hostages to these Republicans. enough Oct 2023 #6
Every day that goes by increases the Democrats' bargaining power. lees1975 Oct 2023 #7

RockRaven

(15,016 posts)
1. The biggest reason not to help put one in is that the Dems lack the votes to
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 08:05 PM
Oct 2023

kick one out. There is no mechanism for Dems alone holding such a Speaker accountable for breaking promises or violating agreements once they are in place.

The inverse, however, would not be true. If a handful of Rs helped put a Dem Speaker in, that person would only remain Speaker as long as that handful stayed satisfied, because all together the Rs have the votes to remove them.

calimary

(81,519 posts)
4. Damn! I wanna write about this NOW!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 08:21 PM
Oct 2023

As a Call to Action email "ask" the my Indivisible group issues every week. Only problem is: it's only Tuesday. A LOT can change between now and when we start writing (Thursday or Friday). I have to watch and see what happens through the rest of the week.

I had that experience just last week. Was all fired up to get my thoughts organized and in writing for an ask. Did so - last Thursday. Hell, by the time it came time to put the new week's asks together, I wound up having to rewrite the whole thing.

lees1975

(3,887 posts)
7. Every day that goes by increases the Democrats' bargaining power.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 09:23 PM
Oct 2023

As much as they've tried to hide it, there are more than enough Republicans who see in this speakerless house their chance at holding on to their seat wane with each passing day. The chaos, some of which has apparently descended into screaming, name calling, cursing and violence in GOP caucus meetings, is getting worse, not better. At some point, it will be prime time for Democrats to extend an offer that will get the house back in order and end all of the ridiculous shenanigans going on, silencing and neutralizing the trouble makers in the face of reason. That moment will come and when it does, Democrats need to make sure that they get everything they put on the table, including the end of the debt ceiling hostage taking, the end of the ridiculous impeachment hearings, the end of the waste of time weaponization of the Justice department hearings and a speaker who understands how government works.

It'll happen. Just be patient and wait for the right moment.

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