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appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 11:20 PM Oct 2023

Why Trump and The GOP Are Burning The Entire System Down

- Daily Kos, By Thom Hartmann, Oct. 11, 2023. 🗽

Today’s Republican Party is dedicated to destroying what they call the “deep state” and the rest of us call the American government. From Trump followers in MAGA hats at rallies to Republican US Senators, they’ll all tell you this without a moment’s hesitation. Steve Bannon even proclaimed it as the main goal of the Trump presidency in their first months in the White House, saying Trump’s goal was the “deconstruction of the administrative state.” Talking about government regulations that protect the environment, punish companies and con men who rip off consumers, and provide for a safe workplace, Bannon said in March, 2017:

"That’s all gonna be deconstructed and I think that that’s why this regulatory thing is so important.”

In this, the GOP, Putin, and fossil fuel billionaires are all working toward the same goal: to do away with or at least fatally weaken the institutions of our government that prevent the morbidly rich and wannabee strongman autocrats from taking over America. They’re doing this because they don’t believe democracy is a good or even viable idea. Seven thousand years of the history of civilization, they’ll tell you, show that the one constant has been autocracy and strongman rule. Democracy is merely an experiment to protect the weak and “average” people from predation by the “supermen” among us, and that, they argue, violates the basic laws of nature.

In that, they’re wrong. Nature very much runs by democratic principles, as I detail at length in The Hidden History of American Democracy. Study after study of animals ranging from gnats to geese to fish to mammals all find that most species use majority-rule voting systems for group decision-making and to protect the young, vulnerable, and elderly. For democracy to work in human societies isn’t some magic or organic thing; it depends on institutions and systems to function and remain free of corruption. Without those administrative state functions, countries and states devolve into Third World status with corrupt leaders who steal everything that’s not nailed down, hand government and business functions off to their cronies, and suppress dissent or calls for democracy with violence and prisons.

The transformation of America from a modern “social democracy” with strong protections for the environment and the working class into strongman rule is exactly what Trump, Putin, and some of the billionaires who own the GOP want. Being answerable to the people is bothersome and inconvenient for them.

Conservative thinkers from Plato to William F. Buckley to Russell Kirk have denigrated democracy, claiming that it’s merely “mob rule.” Rightwing billionaires look over their shoulders at the teeming masses and shudder, remembering a time in America when the top income tax bracket was 90 percent for the morbidly rich and 50 percent for the most profitable corporations. It was also a time of the greatest prosperity for the American middle-class, the highest levels of social mobility, and the strongest social cohesion. Rather than submit to such “onerous” taxation, regardless of the social benefits it conferred, they’d rather burn the entire system down...

- Read More, https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10/11/2198754/-Why-Trump-and-the-GOP-are-Burning-the-Entire-System-Down

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musclecar6

(1,686 posts)
13. 100 percent accurate
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:30 AM
Oct 2023



The message that should be given is to ask the voters are you in the 1% wealthiest in this country ? Probably not and then the next question is are you in the 5% of the wealthiest people in this country ? Very likely not at all. So if you’re not in that 95%, then vote for the Democrats and fuck these Republican assholes that are all out for themselves. They want to keep all the money in their pocket give you nothing if you’re in the 95% and get rid of social programs, deconstruct ( another corporate speak word of bullshit ) the government so they have power over you and we have a fucking dictatorship and next thing you know if you resist their commands, they’re gonna be shooting you in the street, Hitler style. Don’t say that can’t happen. It did in Germany and it sure as fuck can happen here.

So wake the fuck up and vote for the Democrats, you morons. Obviously before you give out this message you have to clean it up a little bit with the profanity and everything and not insult them but at the same time, make sure they get the fucking message.

Yes, this rant I just came up with is rude and crude but you have to be direct. You can’t dress it up too much because they won’t get the message

BaronChocula

(1,557 posts)
2. If the system works for everyone
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 11:30 PM
Oct 2023

and not just whom *ucker Carlson calls "legacy Americans" than they don't want it to exist at all. It's kind of like the way Ronald Reagan looooooooved the New Deal until around the time New Deal programs could no longer discriminate against blacks. Then all of a sudden, "Big Gubmint" became the problem.

When Trump and his humpers talk about making America great again, they're talking about the time when white people came first for everything.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
5. Progress forward, not backward, to a build a better, stronger US. Reaganism has to end.
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 11:46 PM
Oct 2023

'Legacy Americans,' WTH? a new one for me.

BaronChocula

(1,557 posts)
10. They have all kinds of dog whistle language
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:05 AM
Oct 2023

indicating that they're fine with folks from Europe. It's why trumpers loved the Muslim ban and the wall. None of those things impacted European immigration.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
11. yeah I know
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 06:34 AM
Oct 2023

it's also why my mum, who lived for decades in America, was NEVER told to "go back to where you came from"

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
7. It has become so obvious they want the US governance to collapse so they can take over
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 11:52 PM
Oct 2023

As authoritarians. They control the supreme court with Clarence being their water carrier. And they have a puppet in the senate trying to destroy the military and a good portion of the news media in their pocket. Luckily for now, the White House and senate haven’t been able to get taken over yet……. Unless we ( a large portion) of Americans realize the repuke/conservative /libertarian types are really not into improving American livelihoods, we are definitely could go off the cliff into authoritarianism.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
9. Yup. It seems as though still, not enough people are either not taking it serioius enough
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:45 AM
Oct 2023

Or not even aware of it happening in the first place.
And will probably vote for Trump just because they heard he was a shit disturber, because he is one of the most entertaining at doing it. At least to them, sharing their sense of humour. Which is lying about and ridiculing the ones who are smarter, and nicer, less criminal, and more inclusive and open than they are. Mostly with strawman style accusations that go nowhere They claim to value "freedom". But they are the ones who despise freedom. And only want to take it away.

Sad that so many don't see this dark cloud of Fascism rolling in. How its been planned and crafted for decades. And Putin among others, helped groom him to be their perfect Manchurian candidate for President.

Imagine if the US. once its the new Gilead, cut away from NATO...joined BRICS instead. Musk can control the largest SM device on the planet for what ever candidate needs his help. He'll no doubt do his part. Together they will bring the liberal democracies of Europe to its knees. After they fall, smaller democracies will fall quickly. And Trump, triumphantly marches down Kiev square with Putin, declaring how he kept his promise that he, and he alone could solve Ukraine 'situation'.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
14. Correct, more people need to be informed, fast and take this very seriously. The GOP
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:56 AM
Oct 2023

aims to turn America into an authoritarian state with a veneer of democracy if that. Like Orban's Hungary, which can happen here.

Many can't see the dark cloud of Fascism rolling in, the truth.

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