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bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 08:37 AM Mar 2020

Opinion: How many deaths can we afford? DW

Opinion
28/03/2020 | Henrik Böhme

Just two weeks into this crisis some are actually calculating how many deaths society can accept to salvage the economy. For DW's Henrik Böhme, this is unacceptable.

... We're beginning to juggle bigger numbers than during the global financial crisis. The US has passed a $2 trillion (€1.8 trillion) relief package..So now the question many are asking is, of course: Who will pay for them? Is it going to be like after the financial crisis when all states were in debt up to their necks...

Now, once again, we're talking about trade-offs. How many dead people can or do we want to afford? Or, to put it differently: How much is a human life worth to us? Are we even allowed to make such calculations, as private equity manager and former manager of Goldman Sachs' Germany operation, Alexander Dibelius, has been doing? Dibelius has publicly wondered whether it is right to protect the 10% of the population that is at particularly high risk from coronavirus while allowing the economy to be affected so badly that the fundamentals of our affluent societies could end up with permanent damage.

Is it possible to be any colder or more calculating?...What more is needed than the haunting and vivid pictures from Italy? Pictures of doctors who have to decide whom to treat and whom to let die. Pictures of a collapsing health system.... This is what this is mostly about: preventing such collapse. For if hospitals in Germany or other countries go through what Italian hospitals have experienced, a lot of other people will die as well as coronavirus patients, such as those who have suffered heart attacks or strokes. These deaths may well be mere collateral damage for Dr. Dibelius, like the million deaths and more that Imperial College London has forecast for the US. I have a question for this medic-cum-banker: Have you read about the 20-year-old medical students in the French city of Mulhouse who had to pack the dead into body bags and transport them away? ...we are not allowed to make such calculations. We are not allowed to sort out human beings. We cannot lock older people away so that the economy grows again (and in any case, young people are also dying from the virus). Scientists are, of course, aware of their responsibility; they can see the social and economic damage the current measures are causing and will adjust them accordingly.

... No, we have to weather this temporary and brief pause together. We have to look after the little flower of solidarity that has emerged in this crisis in the midst of what is an extremely egoistic society. Solidarity is the real weapon against corona.

https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-how-many-deaths-can-we-afford/a-52932993

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Opinion: How many deaths can we afford? DW (Original Post) bronxiteforever Mar 2020 OP
Life is priceless Bluethroughu Mar 2020 #1
Life is priceless to us but to the Koch and Murdoch bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #2
I read so much about those Kochs Bluethroughu Mar 2020 #9
Among the things I worry about with Covid 19, and there are many tulipsandroses Mar 2020 #3
That is very good point. It will take the compassion of bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #4
Thank you for your kind words. It is much appreciated tulipsandroses Mar 2020 #7
True! bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #8
How many grandparents is a point on the Dow worth?? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #5
+1 Charles Koch has a number in his head bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #6

Bluethroughu

(5,148 posts)
1. Life is priceless
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 08:44 AM
Mar 2020

Jubilee will be the only way out of this worldly financial mess.

Reset to zero debt for everyone, after this is over.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
2. Life is priceless to us but to the Koch and Murdoch
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 08:59 AM
Mar 2020

types not so much. I don’t know enough about the jubilee idea but I have heard it mentioned. Sounds really good. I do know as the author wrote,” The economy will find its feet again — I'm sure of that.”

tulipsandroses

(5,122 posts)
3. Among the things I worry about with Covid 19, and there are many
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

As a mental health professional, I worry about the mental health of our medical personnel. They are doing the work they love, but they are being traumatized at this time. I worry many will have PTSD after this is all said and done. Many have described what they are dealing with as a war zone. Just more ways that this will continue to affect for the unforeseeable future

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
4. That is very good point. It will take the compassion of
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

your field to help them cope in the world to come. One thing I know, we all appreciate you and them for the work you do and will do.

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