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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:03 AM Jan 2020

College educated voters are ruining American politics

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/political-hobbyists-are-ruining-politics/605212/


Many college-educated people think they are deeply engaged in politics. They follow the news—reading articles like this one—and debate the latest developments on social media. They might sign an online petition or throw a $5 online donation at a presidential candidate. Mostly, they consume political information as a way of satisfying their own emotional and intellectual needs. These people are political hobbyists. What they are doing is no closer to engaging in politics than watching SportsCenter is to playing football.

For Querys Matias, politics isn’t just a hobby. Matias is a 63-year-old immigrant from the Dominican Republic. She lives in Haverhill, Massachusetts, a small city on the New Hampshire border. In her day job, Querys is a bus monitor for a special-needs school. In her evenings, she amasses power.

...

Querys is engaging in politics—the methodical pursuit of power to influence how the government operates. If she and the community she represents are quiet and not organized, they get ignored. Other interests, sometimes competing interests, prevail. Organizing gives them the ability to get what they want. Much as the civil-rights movement did, Querys is operating with clear goals and with discipline, combining electoral strategies with policy advocacy.

Unlike organizers such as Querys, the political hobbyists are disproportionately college-educated white men. They learn about and talk about big important things. Their style of politics is a parlor game in which they debate the issues on their abstract merits. Media commentators and good-government reform groups have generally regarded this as a cleaner, more evolved, less self-interested version of politics compared with the kind of politics that Querys practices.


This is a really good piece.
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College educated voters are ruining American politics (Original Post) Recursion Jan 2020 OP
I generally find this article to be equating college educated voters defacto7 Jan 2020 #1
Because it's true Recursion Jan 2020 #7
Your experience hit a note with me. We have a friend who never finished college, was a union CTyankee Jan 2020 #12
sounds like they are yelling "elitist" to me.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #2
Unfortunately, I do know murielm99 Jan 2020 #3
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #4
Who said anything about purity tests? murielm99 Jan 2020 #6
It's pretty offensive. lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #9
Give me a college educated voter who votes for Democrats pnwmom Jan 2020 #5
You know, good for Querys. (strange name) We need more like her. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #8
I'm glad Ms. Matias is amassing power, far away from me. (nt) Paladin Jan 2020 #10
So all those days I spend canvassing Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #11

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
1. I generally find this article to be equating college educated voters
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jan 2020

with afluent voters. College educated voters are not necessarily afluent and non-college educated voters are not necessarily well connected to the political needs of their community. To the contrary, I'm in contact with both lower educated well monied people who are oblivious to the political needs of their communities as well as well educated struggling individuals who are politically active, both groups being white and non-white.
My experience conflicts with the premise of the article and especially with the hyperbole of the title. There may be something to say about the effect of wealth on direct community service and political activity, but equating education with the ruin of American politics is kind of absurd.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Because it's true
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020

The third of Americans with college degrees makes almost exactly to the richest third of the country. College has a huge wage premium even when you take student debt into account. That's why people keep doing it.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
12. Your experience hit a note with me. We have a friend who never finished college, was a union
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jan 2020

plumber, worked for a state university and was a union activist. My husband and I are well educated and strongly pro-labor and pro-union so we align smoothly along political lines. Our friend also worked with the college's faculty union rep. (AAUP). Both realized they had common goals and were stronger for working together.

I think these things can be worked out in real life situations. And what this tells me is that in unions we are all stronger and live better lives. This is, to me, the essence of beliefs in the Democratic party and in American democracy.

getagrip_already

(14,743 posts)
2. sounds like they are yelling "elitist" to me....
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jan 2020

So being educated and aware of politics is somehow just having a hobby?

Oh by all means lets leave iit to the trump voters who believe what fox feeds them. Sorry, but this is a bunch of self serving crap.

I applaud Querys for diving head first into the issues. But don't for a minute disparage someone for being educated and aware.

That is right wing talk.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
3. Unfortunately, I do know
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020

college educated white male voters who are just like this.

They listen to NPR and have Opinions! They show up to marches and vigils if the weather is nice, but they leave early. (They are summer soldiers and sunshine patriots). They may show up to a candidate or party open house, but they will do nothing to help in the planning or support for such an event. They will walk in a parade, if it takes place in their own community.

If they do show up to a county Democratic meeting, everyone is expected to greet their pronouncements with hushed reverence.

Why? Because they are a local science teacher or a small town business owner? Because they made some money in an unusual venture?

I run into these types all the time. Many of them are actually ignorant. We need their votes, but they need to respect those of us who do the work.

Response to murielm99 (Reply #3)

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
6. Who said anything about purity tests?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:41 PM
Jan 2020

Guess what? I have a life and a family, too.

And who says I attack them? We are glad when people show up. As always, we take what we can get.

When people who contribute very little work think their opinions and contributions are more valuable than those who do the actual work, I take issue with that.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. It's pretty offensive.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jan 2020

Let's just be ignorant tools.

There are many ways to engage; staying informed is one of them.

The article seems to want to deliberately alienate the reader.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
5. Give me a college educated voter who votes for Democrats
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jan 2020

over a non-college educated voter who votes for Republicans any day.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
8. You know, good for Querys. (strange name) We need more like her.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jan 2020

I think many would like to be more involved, they just don't know how. Staying informed whether you're college educated or not, white or black or brown, male or female, is what's most important.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. So all those days I spend canvassing
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jan 2020

in 100-degree summer heat and heavy downpours in the fall was "ruining politics?"

Who knew?

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