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elleng

(130,865 posts)
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:29 PM Mar 2019

'Conservatives want to cast progressives as socialists. Don't take the bait.

Whatever one thinks of socialism, most Americans falsely identify it with communism, and will reject it out of hand (from 2011) https://georgelakoff.com/2011/12/11/words-that-dont-work/

Words That Don’t Work by George Lakoff

Progressives had some fun last week with Frank Luntz, who told the Republican Governors’ Association that he was scared to death of the Occupy movement and recommended language to combat what the movement had achieved. But the progressive critics mostly just laughed, said his language wouldn’t work, and assumed that if Luntz was scared, everything was hunky-dory. Just keep on saying the words Luntz doesn’t like: capitalism, tax the rich, etc.

It’s a trap.

When Luntz says he is “scared to death,” he means that the Republicans who hire him are scared to death and he can profit from that fear by offering them new language. Luntz is clever. Yes, Republicans are scared. But there needs to be a serious discussion of both Luntz’s remarks and the progressive non-response.'

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'Conservatives want to cast progressives as socialists. Don't take the bait. (Original Post) elleng Mar 2019 OP
well there goes one presidential campaign down the drain nt msongs Mar 2019 #1
Repeating what I posted on another thread Horizens Mar 2019 #2
Yes, because we should definitely base our 2029 campaign strategy... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #3
Right, because clearly Conservatives DON'T want to cast progressives as socialists now. elleng Mar 2019 #4
Its simple. Ask what socialism is. 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #5
my post from this morning mopinko Mar 2019 #6
This is what I say when accused of being a Socialist disambiguation Mar 2019 #7
 

Horizens

(637 posts)
2. Repeating what I posted on another thread
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:49 PM
Mar 2019

The Democratic party needs to drop, among other terminology, socialist/socialism from their vocabulary.

Reality Check: It’s fair to assume that come the 2020 election, both the Reps and Dems have a lock on 35% of the vote. It is beyond naïve to think that spouting socialism, a guaranteed income and eliminating ICE is going to capture a majority of the remaining 30% of the electorate. They’re absolute, 100% losing talking points.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
3. Yes, because we should definitely base our 2029 campaign strategy...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:05 AM
Mar 2019

...on an editorial from 2011, since, obviously, nothing has changed in the political world since then.

3Hotdogs

(12,372 posts)
5. Its simple. Ask what socialism is.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:11 AM
Mar 2019

After they sputter around a bit, ask if they like the police department, roads, fire department, health department --- you get the idea.

disambiguation

(28 posts)
7. This is what I say when accused of being a Socialist
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:45 AM
Mar 2019

No, it's just democracy but to fascists and anarchists it looks like socialism.

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