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jg10003

(975 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:31 AM Oct 2018

In about 20 years, half the population will live in eight states

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/12/in-about-20-years-half-the-population-will-live-in-eight-states/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.626ff473a780


Eight states will have just under half of the total population of the country, 49.5 percent, according to the Weldon Cooper Center’s estimate. The next eight most populous states will account for an additional fifth of the population, up to 69.2 percent — meaning that the 16 most populous states will be home to about 70 percent of Americans.


This means that 70% of the population will be represented by 32% of the senate. A handful of rural white right wing republicans will make the laws for everyone. Presidents who lose the popular vote but win the electoral vote will become the norm. And all this will happen even if trump is impeached and a Dem is elected in 2020.

How long can such a system survive?
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In about 20 years, half the population will live in eight states (Original Post) jg10003 Oct 2018 OP
North Carolina? violetpastille Oct 2018 #1
No, not Washington state, horrible here, cloudy, rainy, cold. Canoe52 Oct 2018 #9
Its awful MFM008 Oct 2018 #11
I loved it... The Conductor Oct 2018 #12
...well HALF the state..the other half is dry desert and mtns... samnsara Oct 2018 #13
Ha ha ha. WA-03 Here. I welcome all newbies. Especially Democrats. violetpastille Oct 2018 #14
That's right. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #25
:)))))))))))))))) pangaia Oct 2018 #26
You know what else is happening in 20 years... BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #2
The central states of the US are running out of groundwater. Farming there will die. DetlefK Oct 2018 #4
And why aren't they concerned? BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #22
Because them elitist hoity-toity scientists are saying that. And you can't trust them. DetlefK Oct 2018 #29
Exactly! nt Duppers Oct 2018 #8
Also around that time demographic change will make us a majority minority nation. brush Oct 2018 #28
I just had that conversation with my neighbor. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #30
That's got to end though. Even now in some states there are more POC babies born... brush Oct 2018 #31
I wish it would happen in my lifetime. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #32
The US needs a constitutional amendment to change the number of Senators per State. DetlefK Oct 2018 #3
This will never happen only my opinion Oct 2018 #5
Exactly! 2naSalit Oct 2018 #6
And the current Supreme Court certainly wouldn't provide any support. JudyM Oct 2018 #18
Yes, ND, SD, ID. MT and a few others should get only 1 Senator. Better... machoneman Oct 2018 #15
That's pretty much what the House is about 2naSalit Oct 2018 #19
Well, seems we're forgetting one giant elephant in the room... 2naSalit Oct 2018 #7
How long would a system last that puts one State above another? Deb Oct 2018 #10
Tyranny of the minority Maven Oct 2018 #17
The system that we have isn't sustainable Maven Oct 2018 #16
My how depressingly myopic. 2naSalit Oct 2018 #20
LOL. Maven Oct 2018 #21
The answer to stop the EC from continuing to do harm to the country like they did cstanleytech Oct 2018 #23
the national popular vote interstate compact may fix electoral college, but senate will be yurbud Oct 2018 #24
Then you do not leave it to the low populations states to decide, you break the big ones. StTimofEdenRoc Oct 2018 #27

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
1. North Carolina?
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:52 AM
Oct 2018

Okay, anybody that is thinking of living in North Carolina, please consider Washington State for a minute before you do anything hasty.

samnsara

(17,604 posts)
13. ...well HALF the state..the other half is dry desert and mtns...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:12 AM
Oct 2018

...wildlife...forests...volcanos...So Nope.. don't come here...

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
2. You know what else is happening in 20 years...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:54 AM
Oct 2018

Last edited Mon Oct 15, 2018, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)

2040 is the beginning of the end for the planet if Climate Change isn't drastically slowed by then. Maybe some of those states will have changing populations due to climate change and all the factors related to it.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. The central states of the US are running out of groundwater. Farming there will die.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 04:25 AM
Oct 2018

The agrarian industries are sucking the US dry faster than rains can refill the aquifiers. I have read estimates that a tipping-point will come in 20-30 years, when farming will become unsustainable.

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BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
22. And why aren't they concerned?
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

Do they think farm subsidies will continue forever? People are going to be moving to where the jobs are and the jobs will be in new industries so they'd better start changing their thinking now, since we are out of later. The global economy, wars, migration, famine, diseases, etc are on the horizon.

brush

(53,741 posts)
28. Also around that time demographic change will make us a majority minority nation.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:19 AM
Oct 2018

Big changes coming.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
30. I just had that conversation with my neighbor.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 04:03 PM
Oct 2018

The GOP have maneuvered the minority to have the power of the majority for over 20 years. This country is going to be uninhabitable for the majority.

brush

(53,741 posts)
31. That's got to end though. Even now in some states there are more POC babies born...
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:01 PM
Oct 2018

than white babies. Change is coming and with it will be the end of minority repugs running everything as those babies turn into voters.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. The US needs a constitutional amendment to change the number of Senators per State.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 04:21 AM
Oct 2018

For example, in Germany there are 3 to 6 "Senators" per State, depending on the population.

 

only my opinion

(32 posts)
5. This will never happen
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 04:35 AM
Oct 2018

No state will voluntarily give up over-representation in the Senate and choosing the President.

machoneman

(3,997 posts)
15. Yes, ND, SD, ID. MT and a few others should get only 1 Senator. Better...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:01 AM
Oct 2018

ND and SD should share only 1 Senator and should a few other combos, based on small populations, like ID and MT. It's a dream but....

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
19. That's pretty much what the House is about
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:28 PM
Oct 2018

study up, please. We ALL get to have two Senators representing us in the Senate, no matter what state we come from... has something to do with balance and other pesky factors regarding democratic processes.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
7. Well, seems we're forgetting one giant elephant in the room...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 05:00 AM
Oct 2018

that being sea level rise and climate change in general. The beaches are coming ashore, which is where all these people are, they'll have to go somewhere, and that's inland where all those states you folks want to disenfranchise. That's if we manage to recognize those who would divide just before a crucial election...

I call hogwash.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
17. Tyranny of the minority
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:52 AM
Oct 2018

The majority of citizens will not continue to live under the rule of a dwindling minority that imposes the exact opposite (in terms of policy) of what the majority of people want. Meanwhile, the minority will increasingly turn to authoritarianism as the only means of maintaining their grip on power. That is what we are seeing with Trump.

Putin would love nothing more than for the U.S. to become a one-party state ruled by white male oligarchs who are under his sway. That is where we are headed now.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
16. The system that we have isn't sustainable
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:28 AM
Oct 2018

Which is why I don’t think that the union will survive without major structural changes. Either it will break apart into multiple nations or it will devolve into a full-on authoritarian police state.

cstanleytech

(26,231 posts)
23. The answer to stop the EC from continuing to do harm to the country like they did
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:28 PM
Oct 2018

when they appointed Trump over Hillary despite her beating him by 3 million votes is to change the system so that the popular vote wins the office office of President with the VPs office being abolished as there is no need for it imo as we already have a line of succession established incase something happens to a President.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
24. the national popular vote interstate compact may fix electoral college, but senate will be
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 04:34 PM
Oct 2018

a lot tougher, short of a constitutional convention or revolution.

 

StTimofEdenRoc

(445 posts)
27. Then you do not leave it to the low populations states to decide, you break the big ones.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:26 AM
Oct 2018

The new states of
Boston
New York city/state
Atlanta
Dallas Fort Worth
Chicago
San Diego
Los Vegas
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Portland
Puget Sound/Seattle
Phoenix
and so on

South Florida will be under water

But this is not today's problem

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