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A Rap on Race: Margaret Mead and James Baldwin
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A Rare Conversation on Forgiveness and the Difference Between Guilt and Responsibility"Weve got to be as clear-headed about human beings as possible, because we are still each others only hope."
This is the first installment in a multi-part series covering Mead and Baldwins historic conversation. Part 2 focuses on identity, race, and the immigrant experience; part 3 on changing ones destiny; part 4 on reimagining democracy for a post-consumerist culture.
On the evening of August 25, 1970, Margaret Mead (December 16, 1901November 15, 1978) and James Baldwin (August 2, 1924December 1, 1987) sat together on a stage in New York City for a remarkable public conversation about such enduring concerns as identity, power and privilege, race and gender, beauty, religion, justice, and the relationship between the intellect and the imagination.
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On the one hand, as a white woman and black man in the first half of the twentieth century, they had come of age through experiences worlds apart. On the other, they had worlds in common as intellectual titans, avid antidotes to the eras cultural stereotypes, queer people half a century before marriage equality, and unflinching celebrators of the human spirit.
As they bring up their shared heartbreak over the bombing in Birmingham that killed four black girls at Sunday school a month after Martin Luther Kings famous letter on justice and nonviolent resistance, Mead and Baldwin arrive at one of the most profound ongoing threads of this long conversation the question of guilt, responsibility, and the crucial difference between the two in assuring a constructive rather than destructive path forward:
MEAD: There are different ways of looking at guilt. In the Eastern Orthodox faith, everybody shares the guilt of creatureliness and the guilt for anything they ever thought. Now, the Western Northern-European position and the North American position on the whole is that youre guilty for things that you did yourself and not for things that other people did.
BALDWIN: The police in this country make no distinction between a Black Panther or a black lawyer or my brother or me. The cops arent going to ask me my name before they pull the trigger. Im part of this society and Im in exactly the same situation as anybody else any other black person in it. If I dont know that, then Im fairly self-deluded What Im trying to get at is the question of responsibility. I didnt drop the bomb [that killed four black school girls in Birmingham]. And I never lynched anybody. Yet I am responsible not for what has happened but for what can happen.
MEAD: Yes, thats different. I think the responsibility for what can happen, which in a sense is good guilt which is sort of a nonsensical term
BALDWIN: Yes, but I know what you mean. Its useful guilt.
MEAD: Responsibility. It is saying I am going to make an effort to have things changed. But to take the responsibility for something that was done by others
BALDWIN: Well, you cant do that.
Mead illustrates the perils of confusing responsibility and guilt with an exquisite example from her own life as a mother, from the time in the mid-1940s when she was heading a university initiative to foster cross-racial and cross-ethnic relationships:
MEAD: I was walking across the Wellesley campus with my four-year-old, who was climbing pine trees instead of keeping up with me.
I said, You come down out of that pine tree. You dont have to eat pine needles like an Indian. So she came down and she asked, Why do the Indians have to eat pine needles? I said, To get their Vitamin C, because they dont have any oranges. She asked, Why dont they have any oranges? Then I made a perfectly clear technical error; I said, Because the white man took their land away from them. She looked at me and she said, Am I white? I said, Yes, you are white. But I didnt took their land away from them, and I dont like it to be tooken! she shouted.
Now if I had said, The early settlers took their land away, she would have said, Am I an early settler? But I had made a blanket racial category: the white man. It was a noble sentiment, but it was still racial sentiment.
With an eye to this demand for responsibility in the present rather than guilt over the past, the conversation once again reveals its contemporary poignancy:
MEAD: The kids say and theyre pretty clear about it that the future is now. Its no use predicting about the year 2000.
BALDWIN: No.
MEAD: Its what we do this week that matters.
BALDWIN: Exactly.
MEAD: Thats the only thing there is; there isnt any other time.
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A Rap on Race: Margaret Mead and James Baldwin (Original Post)
JHan
Oct 2018
OP
The magazine Redbook had an article about their dialogue. IIRC readers were young marrieds
bobbieinok
Oct 2018
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guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)1. Recommended.
BALDWIN: The police in this country make no distinction between a Black Panther or a black lawyer or my brother or me. The cops arent going to ask me my name before they pull the trigger.
JHan
(10,173 posts)2. if he had a crystal ball and could really see 2000 and beyond...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)7. He would think that he was looking back.
8 years of GOP racist obstruction proved that.
elleng
(130,865 posts)3. WOW! THANKS!
JHan
(10,173 posts)4. The whole series is worth reading too, an extraordinary meeting of minds.
cachukis
(2,234 posts)5. Thanks. Will read.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)6. The magazine Redbook had an article about their dialogue. IIRC readers were young marrieds
mcar
(42,307 posts)8. Kicking to read later
Thanks.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)9. Powerful exchange.
I will bookmark to read the rest.
Thank you so much for sharing, JHan.
brer cat
(24,560 posts)10. I look forward to reading it all.
Thanks for the post, JHan. That is a powerful duo.
Gothmog
(145,150 posts)11. Interesting conversation
oasis
(49,378 posts)12. Very much worth the time to take in. Thanks for posting. nt
murielm99
(30,736 posts)13. Thanks for posting this.
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