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Behind the Aegis

(53,919 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 02:52 AM Apr 2018

Confronting Holocaust Denial

Holocaust denial is a position consciously held not because there is no evidence but despite it. Like antisemitism, to which it is closely related, Holocaust denial is not based on evidence but is a position held because its adherents want it to be true, writes Professor Dan Stone.

There are few “flat earthers” these days and the majority of people no longer believe that the moon is made of green cheese. By contrast, denying the Holocaust, that is, claiming that the genocide of the Jews by Nazi Germany and its allies during World War II ever took place, seems to be flourishing.

It is an extreme example of an increasingly common phenomenon: rejecting facts when they happen to be inconvenient. At least when, in the middle ages, people thought that the sun orbited the earth, they had no proof to the contrary. Holocaust denial is a position consciously held not because there is no evidence but despite it. Like antisemitism, to which it is closely related, Holocaust denial is not based on evidence but is a position held because its adherents want it to be true. Unfortunately, it is not.

Just as antisemitism is a claim about Jews that rests ultimately on mythical thinking – Jews as puppet-masters behind world events, for example – so Holocaust denial rests on similar conspiracy theories – that the Jews concocted the whole story to extract money from Germany and to promote Zionism, for example.

People with strongly-held antisemitic beliefs are rarely amenable to having their views changed by the presentation of evidence, and the same is true of Holocaust denial. What follows is not aimed at those who are unshakeable in their belief that the Holocaust never happened, although it would be nice to think that their minds could be changed (they probably do not read the JC, in any case). Rather, I want to show that, when people – often youngsters – are confused by the easily-accessible lies that proliferate on the internet, it is not hard to put them straight.

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byronius

(7,389 posts)
1. I agree. The recent rise in antisemitic verbiage is startling and weird.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:49 AM
Apr 2018

Some people just want to go back to the 1300's, it seems like. Torture porn and magical thinking. Education eschewed, cunnning prized. Primate nastiness of the worst order.

It's almost like they want us to have to learn the lessons all over again. And that's just plain crazy.

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
2. curious about the statement that holocaust denial is "closely related" to antisemitism
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:05 AM
Apr 2018

isn't such denial anti-Semitism in itself?

Behind the Aegis

(53,919 posts)
4. I think so.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:36 AM
Apr 2018

Rarely have I ever seen any Holocaust denier who denied the deaths of others in the camps. Sure, there are those who leave out gay men, but it usually is not the reason for their Holocaust denial.

pansypoo53219

(20,952 posts)
11. PBS G.I. Jew this week. jews were banned from many places.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 04:15 PM
Apr 2018

it was big when they were integrated into the military in WW2.

blue-wave

(4,344 posts)
6. K&R
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:39 AM
Apr 2018

I was born after WWII ended, but I met and discussed the holocaust with survivors who had tattooed arms. The thought of anyone denying that it ever happened is infuriating to me.

murielm99

(30,715 posts)
7. The only Holocaust deniers I have ever met
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:55 AM
Apr 2018

were not Germans, but German Americans, first and second generation. My dad was a first generation German American, but not a Holocaust denier.

The people I heard doubting the Holocaust were angry and seemed to be in denial. They did not want to believe that people from their country of origin could do such things. They were taking it personally. I am not making excuses for them. I am just trying to understand why people would think that way.

marble falls

(56,996 posts)
9. I don't understand denial in the face of meticulous Nazi record keeping, including....
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:31 AM
Apr 2018

hundreds of miles of film and thousands of pages of documents. It isn't as if the Germans weren't proud of their "endeavor". They called it the "Final Solution" and they industrialized murder to accomplish it.

Aristus

(66,280 posts)
10. I could never understand why Neo-Nazis would deny that the Holocaust happened.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:11 AM
Apr 2018

One would think they would champion the slaughter as the greatest achievement of their movement.

If they deny it as a way to recruit people to their cause who would otherwise be repelled by such a horrible mass-murder, well then, wouldn't they want Holocaust supporters to join their ranks?

I'm just so confused about the whole thing...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. To make themselves feel better and erase the atrocity from history...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:41 PM
Apr 2018

No different than the folks who with a straight face can go on cable news and say that slavery was the best thing to ever happen to black folks...

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,318 posts)
17. There are plenty of Armenian Genocide deniers.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 02:33 PM
Apr 2018

The Holocaust Deniers probably saw how Turkish authorities got away with denying the Armenian Genocide.

Say it often, say it loud, repeat. Deny, deny, deny.

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