Clinton and the DNC Are Not Just Colluding — They’re Changing the Rules for Superdelegates
Clinton and the DNC Are Not Just Colluding Theyre Changing the Rules for Superdelegates
05/09/2016 07:07 pm ET
Seth Abramson
Assistant Professor of English at University of New Hampshire; Series Co-Editor, Best American Experimental Writing
The award for most deliberate and egregious burying of a lead has just been handed out.
It goes to NBC News, for a story entitled, Bernie Sanders Makes Things Awkward for Hillary Clintons DNC Takeover.
Put aside for a moment that the storys central premise is the uncritical repetition of a nonsense: the idea that a major-party convention cant as in literally cannot be planned without a nominee being declared at least a month and a half in advance. We know thats untrue because, up until a week ago, thats exactly what the GOP was (with minimal public grousing by RNC Chair Reince Priebus) planning to do.
More importantly, in the context of Democratic National Committee rules which, as DNC officials Luis Miranda and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have both explained to the media repeatedly, dictate that super-delegates cannot be tallied until July there can be no doubt about which sentence in the above-cited NBC News story is the most important. Its this one, about what the Clinton campaign and the DNC have been up to since April (more than three months prior to the Partys late-July convention):
much more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-and-the-dnc-are-not-just-colluding----theyre-changing-the-rules-for-superdelegates_b_9876274.html
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Pretty much outlines it
pacalo
(24,721 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Ain't that the truth.
Makes you wonder how people who pay attention to politics can support her. Not a surprise to hear that they buy followers and pay for internet trolls.
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misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Why wouldn't the Dem Party be supporting the only Dem in the race? Bernies been a Dem for like 6 months?
Its their Party. They can do whatever they want with the rules. And just WHO is bernie sanders to tell the Dem Party what to do within their own Party?
If ya can't stand the heat....
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)American running as a dem. HRC has only been a dem since 1968. I'm sure you're good with that. Bernie has been an independent since he was born and worked with the dems. Hillary was a republican from birth and a dem when it was convenient.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Haa. Thats really a stretch..apologies for lmao but, really?
Ok let me correct this:
"So says the Independent, socialist, democratic socialist , democrat, Independent, American.
You don't even have an argument.
Just give it up.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)was a proud Goldwater Girl,
was on the Wal-mart BOD,
voted for the Iraq War, supported DOMA/DADT,
loves her some Kissinger and Nancy Reagan,
uses racist language like "super predators" to describe black people,
supported welfare "reform" pushed by Newt Gingrich,
gets endorsements from Cheney and the Kochs,
and is now actively trying to get Bush's donors on her side.
Explain those. . .don't worry. I have a lot more of her "Democratic" positions and beliefs that would make real Democrats, and not DINOs, Blue Dogs or Statist supporting corportists happy.
2016: They year the Democratic Party took off the facade and truly embraced its center/right backbone again.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)who is the most REAL DEM!
I'll stick with my Dem Party & the Great Progressive Senator Paul Wellstone, RIP.
HERE:
This is why I doubt bernie sanders' claims of being what he says he is.
Have at it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107124800
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Specifically, Clinton supporters have been targeting the donor base of Jeb Bush, whose main super PAC raised a striking $121 million, much of it before the race for the Republican nomination began to heat up. We know how that ended.
But the Clinton camp sees opportunity lying in the rubble of the former Florida governor's failed campaign.
Indeed, Jeb Bush, along his father and brother, have vowed not to back the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump. Assuming no third party candidate emerges to soak up the fundraising dollars of former Bush backers, Clinton is positioning herself as the deserving recipient.
DINO! DINO! DINO! DINO! And it was written 5/9/16
But to HRC supporters, we're good sharing Republican values.
Ford_Prefect
(7,927 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)So much so I can honestly say that I am not leaving the Democrats, they left me when they became Center/Right Republican Lite.
I will support individual Democrats, but nothing to the Party ever again (not like I gave to the Party since Howard Dean was DNC Chair. Now that DINO Schultz is in charge, definitely not).
blondie58
(2,570 posts)Is that she is one of the 1%, with her net worth of $45 million. How can a politician amass so much Wealth? Those Speeches must be amazing.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Question: How can bernie be so strongly AGAINST toxic Fracking, and yet fight so strongly, against Progressive Senator Wellstone FOR toxic Radioactive Waste Dumping in a poor community in Texas.
Tell me why one is worse than the other.
He voted to kill the Wellstone Ammendment that would have kept this community safe from toxic radioactive waste.
This is why I do not believe anything Sanders says.
And this is all I needed.
Which is worse. Fracking toxins spread on a community of people and their environment, or Radioactive Waste dumped on a community of people and their environment.
And you wonder why people do not trust the claims of bernies stump speeches.
This is a good start.
Time to trash this thread.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)The low-level nuclear waste would include "items such as scrap metal and workers gloves
as well as medical gloves used in radiation treatments at hospitals," according to the Bangor Daily News.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr629
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)words shows that there is no reasoning.
One of the many reasons I am glad I am not there in the States anymore. Someone hears a sound byte they like or watches something on the TV and they instantly feel they are experts in public policy, economics, history, sociology and governmental affairs. And to back up their new found expertise, they only look for "evidence" that supports their position, countering position be damned.
The poster even said they saw no evidence of Bernie's progressive past. That right there should end the conversation.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)and when one is comparing that with voting to start a war in Iraq, the contrast is undeniable
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Democrat than she EVER has been in her entire life, including now.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Btw ask people who have lived under socialism.
Its not what bernie wants you to believe. Its oppressive.
Yes, we noticed that as soon as bernie was called out on the oppressive conditions of socialist rule, he quickly claimed to be a democratic socialist...
Doesn't sound as Bad when you soften it with a D in front of it.
I honestly can't keep up with what his political identity is anymore.
But he's bernie & he can be whatever he wants to be whenever he wants to be it.
Nite!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)You mean those people in Norway and Denmark and Iceland who are so miserable?
In the 2015 World Happiness Report, published this week by the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network, Switzerland was named the worlds happiest country. The Nordic countries of Iceland, Denmark and Norway rounded out the top four, while Canada placed fifth. The U.S. was ranked 15th in the report.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/24/happiest-countries-in-the-world-2015_n_7138002.html
Those "socialist" countries? They're happy!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/10/729747/-
Man, you sure do sound like a Republican when you say things like that.
20score
(4,769 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Your statement makes the Democratic Party sound very unwelcoming?
Who is Bernie Sanders you ask? He is the voice of millions of people who have had enough.
And that voice is getting louder and louder.
Be dismissive all you like, it won't stop whats happening to the party. In fact it will accelerate it.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Thats why she'll be our first woman President in Nov.
Thanks .
Have a nice night.
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Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)People who identify as Democrats. You know, people like Kim Davis. But nice try.
And yes, she will probably be the first woman president in Nov. Shame it couldn't be a woman of substance.
Y'all enjoy your evening.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)and neither are Bernie's supporters who might be Democrats (or Independents or Republicans) as well as Independents that make up 35-40% of the electorate.
Good luck winning an election telling half the Democratic Party and all Independents to go fuck themselves.
This Election we have a DINO (HRC) who:
was a proud Goldwater Girl,
was on the Wal-mart BOD,
voted for the Iraq War, supported DOMA/DADT,
loves her some Kissinger and Nancy Reagan,
uses racist language like "super predators" to describe black people,
supported welfare "reform" pushed by Newt Gingrich,
gets endorsements from Cheney and the Kochs,
and is not actively trying to get Bush's donors on her side.
Running against a Fascist toadstool in Trump.
Excuse me, but to quote South Park, choosing between a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich is not much of a choice.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)I am a democrat!
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Party.
Principles over Party everyday, all day.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Is that that person shouldn't think that the party they've been a member of for 5 minutes to cow tow to their demands after never having participated within the actual group before.
FDR didn't switch parties and then say, 'hey, now this is what I want'...
So what if Clinton was a Goldwater Girl, 50 YEARS AGO... Tom Hartmann passed out literature for Goldwater too, you going to call him a DINO too?
Was Walmart back then what it was today? Wasn't that like 20 years ago?
A lot of people supported DADT/DOMA back in the 90's. President Obama himself said his stance on gay marriage evolved.
She's apologized for the Iraq vote and she was hammered on that 8 years ago when President Obama ran against and beat her.
I'm black and I'm not offended by the 'super predator' comment.
She didn't get an 'endorsement' from Cheney or the Koch's, so don't lie about that. They never said "they'd vote for her".
Your rhetoric is beyond absurd.
mdbl
(4,976 posts)Sanders has voted with the Dem party on almost everything and yes Charles Koch said he would rather vote for HRC than Trump, that's as close an endorsement as you can get.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-president-gop-pick-charles-koch/story?id=38622141
Being a member of the Democratic Party hasn't been a plus for the average worker since Reagan became president because the DLC/DNC/DCCC has been emulating him ever since. So just keep voting for that trajectory, you're almost there!
Thank-you very much
nxylas
(6,440 posts)The peoples' choices in November will be decided for them by the party elites, just as the Founding Fathers intended.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)More importantly, in the context of Democratic National Committee rules which, as DNC officials Luis Miranda and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have both explained to the media repeatedly, dictate that super-delegates cannot be tallied until July there can be no doubt about which sentence in the above-cited NBC News story is the most important. Its this one, about what the Clinton campaign and the DNC have been up to since April (more than three months prior to the Partys late-July convention):
Back-channel conversations have already begun between Clintons campaign and the DNC about what role the party will play in the general election. These discussions are happening out of sight for now to avoid the appearance of collusion before the party has formally selected a nominee.
Where does this information appear in the article? In the very last sentence, of course.
Off-topic: Tim Kaine as VP? No ticket balance then? One's a neocon and the other is "a Moderate Populist Conservative".
according to http://www.ontheissues.org/Tim_Kaine.htm
Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion
I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring womens access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, Issues , Nov 8, 2005
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:
Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
Ensuring womens access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies.
Too often politicians are interested in scoring political points, rather than in reducing the number of abortions. Many of the legislative proposals introduced in the General Assembly, like the ones to require unnecessary building standards for doctors offices that perform abortions, are just political grandstanding. They encourage division and lawsuits rather than contributing to the goal of reducing abortions.
So much for supporting a woman's right to choose.
Tim Kaine strongly supports the Second Amendment. As the next Governor of Virginia, he will not propose any new gun laws. Instead Tim Kaine will guarantee strict enforcement of our existing criminal laws. He will also expand the use of such enforcement strategies as Project Exile that target criminals who use guns rather than law-abiding gun owners.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, Issues , Nov 8, 2005
And Annie Oakley has a gun-toting friend.
So Clinton is appealing to Sanders supporters and liberals by pivoting hard right, and floating a "Joe Lieberman" conserva-dem as VP. Wonder if Rahm Emanuel will announce it, telling liberals once again what he thinks of our ideas.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)zalinda
(5,621 posts)All former Republicans who turned Democrat to run for office.
2000 Scott Heidepriem, South Dakota State Senator
2000 Dean Johnson, Minnesota State Senator
2002 Ray Nagin, later Mayor of New Orleans (20022010)
2002 D. G. Anderson, former Hawaii State Senator
2003 Teresa Heinz Kerry
2005 Tim Mahoney, later U.S. Representative for Florida (20072009)
2006 James Webb, former United States Secretary of the Navy (19871988), later U.S. Senator from Virginia (20072013)
2006 Charles Barkley, former NBA basketball player, in anticipation of running for Governor of Alabama in 2014
2007 Mike Gabbard, Hawaii State Senator Tulsi's father
2011 Patrick Murphy, later served as U.S. Representative from Florida (2013present)
How about Democrat to Republican to Democrat
2003 Tommy Dickerson, Mississippi State Senator.[108]
2003 Johnny Ford, Alabama State Representative.[109][110]
2010 Arlen Specter, U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania (19812011)
2010 Jim Bradford, South Dakota State Representative
2014 Parker Griffith, former U.S. Representative from Alabama (20092011)
2015 Artur Davis, former U.S. Representative from Alabama (20032011)
Grow up. If someone says they are a Democrat the party accepts them, unless they threaten the rise of Hillary.
Z
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)but it points out the absurdity of so many arguments.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)scummy tricks in both September and December 2016--we have to remember that for all the scandals we see so far (from the Victory Fund to the "hack" that's just what's leaked out so far; the anticipated admissions and revelations, once the primary and GE are no longer obliging people to stay mum, will be devastating to the party
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)going on and talked about right out in the open. As if. This is turing out to be one epic primary so far...and it could be devastating to the whole of the party. You are SO correct in your assessment it hurts.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)as for the superdelegates and other party honchos, I think they're starting to realize that if they give the nomination to the candidate ruthlessly pressuring them they're going to be sharply punished for letting it get to this point
the DNC's lost 13 Senators and 69 Reps, and while the party's ruling class may be okay with blaming the voters and keeping out the left and indys, they don't want to go down lashed to the ship
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)elleng
(131,261 posts)about what role the party will play in the general election. These discussions are happening out of sight for now to avoid the appearance of collusion before the party has formally selected a nominee.'
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)to go down was planned in concert, from jump. The euphemism "back-channel" is just that- a meaningless euphemism. They basically just admitted what is really going on, with a little PR/media spin.
elleng
(131,261 posts)as she/they twisted arms to garner super-delegates ages ago.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)SO extraordinarily early, and then becoming the self-appointed presumptuous nominee just galled me. I knew damn well Bernie was cranking up for a run, and they did too. The whole way she played coy and then just suddenly tried to make a preemptive move was just completely transparent to me, anyway. The actual race started long before any of this. They both knew it, honestly...
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