MH17 Experts: Strange That Radars Were Not Operational - ADL Netherlands
MH17 Experts: Strange That Radars Were Not Operational - ADL Netherlands
These are Google translated articles from Dutch MSM sources that are being ignored by the US media. Therefore, I have went ahead and put them in Google translate so people cans see what is going on in the Netherlands in regards to MH17.
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More news on Ukraines missing MH-17 radar information: From Google translate. Experts MH17: Strange that radars were not operational
Piet van Genderen, Radar Expert University of Technology and Riemens, CEO of Air Traffic Control the Netherlands (LVNL) during the hearing on the policy response to the research about the MH17. © Reuters. It is strange that three radar systems in Ukraine were disabled for maintenance during the disaster of flight MH17 said radar expert Piet van Genderen at TU Delft on Friday in the lower house, where among other things the report by the Dutch Safety Board on disaster of flight MH17 is being discussed.
Markus Schiller, Missile Expert, ST Analytics GmbH, Munich, Pascal Paulissen (M), senior researcher Weapon Systems (principal investigator sub-report TNO) and Louk Absil (R), Director Force Protection, TNO during the hearing on the policy response to the research about the MH17 . © Reuters.
Van Genderen said that it is unlikely that there was planned maintenance occurring simultaneously on the three 'primary' radar systems. One explanation could be that there was a lack of spare parts to keep them running.
Netherlands has received information from Ukraine and Russia. Both countries have made video recordings available of the radar screens. However, the raw data of the primary radar data was not made available.
Russia has stated that it was not transferred because it was not saved, however, the three Ukrainian systems in the area stood out. According to Van Genderen, with closer examination of the raw data from the primary radar the chances would be greater of determining where the missile came from.
Survivors have therefore written a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin. They ask him, including whether he is willing to do everything to recover radar and satellite images. The families of deceased passengers also previously wrote letters to Prime Minister Mark Rutte, the US Secretary of State John Kerry and President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.
Expert of the Dutch Aerospace Centre, Michel Peters, claiming Friday that the damage to the plane can simply be caused by a BUK missile. ,, It is particularly in the light of the warhead. "
The Lower House is conducting talks all day with experts about MH17. These include the decision on the air routes above conflict, as well as radar and satellite data in the MH17 case and the future prosecution and trial of the perpetrators.
According to experts, airlines and services should be required to share information about the safety of flights. Bart de Vries, head of Flight Operations for KLM, announced that the airline needs good information on the safety of air routes. Each society would, he should have a system to receive this information and to respond to them.
Intelligence agencies now share information with airlines, but are not obliged to. KLM had in his own words had no information about the danger over eastern Ukraine, where flight MH17 ended by a rocket attack.
We had in the first 48 hours can do things differently, but I would surround myself so again with the same group of people
Dick Schoof, National Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Security
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The role of the Dutch government is discussed. To set aviation lawyer Arthur Flieger that the Netherlands may simply prohibit airlines to fly over dangerous areas. Then there is clarity for everyone, and does not need any airline itself weigh the risks.
Réne Torenvlied, professor of public management at the University of Twente, says that the initial response to the disaster was difficult. Survivors also were dissatisfied with the actions of the government.
The government wants above all to learn from the mistakes. Until today there is aftercare. National Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Security, Dick Schoof: ,, We were in the first 48 hours can do things differently, but I would so again surround with the same group of people. "
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highoverheadspace
(307 posts)Additional new MH-17 news: From Google translate. A minimum of four radar systems should have images of MH17 disaster
By Michael van der Galien January 22, 2016
Professor and radar expert Piet van Genderen, TU Delft, says that at least four radars should have picked up the images of flight MH17 being downed.
That is a remarkable statement because it proves the government has no radar images and also has not been able to get their hands on them.
During a hearing in the House, Van Genderen literally said the following:
"The primary radar images of these four facilities are the most important because the chances are that they picked up the image of the BUK missile and it should be seen. Also, the disintegration of the aircraft is on these images, it should almost certainly be noticeable."
This involves three radar stations in Ukraine and one in Russia. All four facilities would see what brought down the plane. These countries, however, deny they have these images.
Van Genderen trust it for a penny:
"That these facilities were all out of operation or undergoing maintenance as Ukraine and Russia claim is not credible."
Satellite Expert Marco Langbroek adds that he finds it strange that the government is doing nothing to retrieve the satellite imagery.
"Three of these satellites covered Ukraine at the time of the crash. It seems to me that to see justice served there is every interest to have this information. Indeed, the evidence can thus be substantiated. "
And now it comes: Minister Ard van der Steur still maintains that he does not need more images of the flight. He states this while every expert says that these images are a) in existence and b) will prove conclusively who shot the aircraft down.
highoverheadspace
(307 posts)http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...j_MH17___.html
New MH-17 news: From Google translate: Four radars were active for MH17 '
by Paul Eldering and Jolanda van der Graaf
THE HAGUE -
The shootdown of down MH17 was imaged by at least four radars in the vicinity said Professor and radar expert Piet van Genderen at TU Delft during a hearing in the Parliament. "The primary radar images of these four facilities are the most important because the chances are that the they picked up a BUK missile and it should be seen. Also, the disintegration of the aircraft is on these images, it should be almost certainly noticeable. "
It involves three Ukrainian systems - one in the Lugansk airport and two long-range radar in the vicinity - and a fourth Russian radar at Rostov.
"That all these facilities were all not in operation or under maintenance as Ukraine and Russia claim is not credible," said the professor.
Like Van Genderen, satellite expert Marco Langbroek believes that the images are crucial to the criminal investigation as to who the perpetrators are. According to Langbroek there must exist a large number of satellite images of the disaster. This includes the so-called Space Based Infrared Systems, the top-secret radar systems of the Americans. "Three of these satellites covered Ukraine at the time of the crash," said Langbroek. "It seems to me that justice has every interest to have this information. Indeed, the evidence can thus be substantiated."
According to Minister Van der Steur of Security and Justice, the Public Prosecutor's has no need for additional radar and satellite images. However, he said that if later it is different, "the government will do its utmost to make available relevant information to the Public Prosecution for the criminal investigation."
Despite the letter of Van der Steur, survivors, experts and also have MPs, still have serious doubts about the events surrounding the radar and satellite imagery.
The entire Dutch press is lit up with these stories about Ukraine not supplying the MH17 radar data and claiming all facilities were undergoing maintenance at the time. Of course, the entire US, UK, Canadian and Australian media have chosen to completely ignore this important new revelation.
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arikara
(5,562 posts)I have no idea what this place is coming to, we used to actually be able to look at things then discuss them intelligently.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)The MH17 story has been interesting, it has just reeked of bullshit from the beginning, but everybody is bullshitting like mad about it, and nobody wants to put forward any information that actually disposes of the questions about it, so we don't really know still, quite who did it and why.
Sometimes the propaganda war completely obscures what actually occurred, like when Bush lied us into Iraq. The spooks create lots of these obscured events. Sometimes I think that is the idea.
hankthecrank
(653 posts)Saying it the bulk operators thought they shot down Ukraine transport plane. Even looking thru wreckage they were trying to prove it was a cargo plane
When they killed civilians
