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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:07 PM Jul 2015

US mulling ‘unprecedented’ arms package to Israel after Iran deal

The US is considering providing an extensive military package to Israel in the wake of the Iranian nuclear accord, Channel 2 TV reported Sunday.

Days after the deal was signed in Vienna last Tuesday, sources in Washington indicated they will provide the Jewish state with advanced weaponry and technology, apparently to compensate for the boost the deal will give Iran.

In a Saturday phone call with former president Shimon Peres, National Security Adviser Susan Rice explained that the US was ready to offer Jerusalem a military compensation package that was unprecedented in its scope, the TV report said.

The package reportedly will include sophisticated weaponry that Israel does not yet possess, as well as cutting-edge technology.

Peres, for his part, was said to have expressed dissatisfaction with the limited purview of the inspections regime that, under the deal, could provide Iran with 24-days notice before probing suspect sites.

Rice responded that the US has the capability — covert and otherwise — to detect an early Iranian violation of the deal.

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http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-mulling-unprecedented-arms-package-to-israel-after-iran-deal/

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US mulling ‘unprecedented’ arms package to Israel after Iran deal (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2015 OP
We're resorting to bribery now? Pathetic. TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #1
Israel pisses on our shoes, we buy them a drink in compensation nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #4
What is good for Iran is perceived to be automatically bad geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #6
This is a nuclear agreement regarding nuclear-related sanctions. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #7
i don't get it 6chars Jul 2015 #8
you're erecting an army of straw men geek tragedy Jul 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #10
Netanyahu and his proxies are trying to bully members of Congress into geek tragedy Jul 2015 #11
Sure it does. hack89 Jul 2015 #13
The sanctions are not in place to prevent Iran from engaging in those activities. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #14
Yes I understand that hack89 Jul 2015 #15
Oh crap... Hydra Jul 2015 #3
Why not just make Israel the 51st state - don't tell me asiliveandbreathe Jul 2015 #12
I guess they don't need to spy on us after all 4dsc Jul 2015 #16

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. What is good for Iran is perceived to be automatically bad
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jul 2015

for Israel.

But, I think we should take Nuttyahoo at his word and pull the offer.

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. This is a nuclear agreement regarding nuclear-related sanctions.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

It is not legitimate to cite conventional weapons and regional politics as a reason to oppose the agreement. The sanctions in question here have nothing to do with such activities.

These are not "stop being mean to Israel" sanctions.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
8. i don't get it
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jul 2015

i really look at the iranian government under the supreme leader and see a dictatorship that declares its intentions to expand its influence and basically conquer, and then undertakes all sorts of real actions to carry them out. but many people at du cannot find a single bad thing to say about the supreme leader. if pressed, they will change the subject. sometimes a denial of anything positive or negative expressed, but never ANYTHing negative about the Supreme Leader? why so much deference to the Supreme Leader? why 100% distrust of israeli intent on anything and 0% distrust expressed on iran's intent? is the iranian government that laudable?

in particular, the agreement lifts sanctions preventing iranian purchase of advanced conventional weapons. it is perfectly fine if people think this is worth it to get the nuclear agreement. but the reason that israel sees this particular aspect of the agreement - in conjunction with the inflow of cash to the revolutionary guard - as a problem for themselves is pretty clear. they expect iran to do what it promises with the new capability this agreement grants them.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. you're erecting an army of straw men
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jul 2015

no one trusts Iran's government, that's why there are sanctions and inspections in the first place. Israel is not suffering from UN sanctions, and has never been forced to submit to inspections, despite its nuclear weapons program.

What Iran does with conventional weapons is not germane to a nuclear-weapons agreement regarding nuclear-related sanctions.

Israel is not entitled to dictate terms to the international community. If they want to disarm Iran of advanced conventional weapons, they need to put together a coalition of the willing and invade, overthrow the regime, and install a "we love Israel" regime.

Just leave us out of that coalition.



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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Netanyahu and his proxies are trying to bully members of Congress into
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jul 2015

torpedoing the deal and making war more likely.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. Sure it does.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jul 2015

a key concession to Iran is the lifting of economic sanctions. What Iran does with that increased revenue is certainly a legitimate question.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. The sanctions are not in place to prevent Iran from engaging in those activities.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jul 2015

They're in place to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.

The goal of the sanctions, and the agreement, is not regime change in Iran.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. Yes I understand that
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jul 2015

but it will still have a significant impact on Iran's abilities to engage in those activities. I support the treaty but it is clear that there will be unexpected consequences, not all of which are good.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
12. Why not just make Israel the 51st state - don't tell me
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

they don't have high tech weaponry....what a bunch of BS!


Members of the Israeli elite have benefitted directly from the Gaza wars by orchestrating the assaults as generals and politicians and then taking jobs as lobbyists, marketing to foreign militaries the newest weaponry and battlefield tactics tested on Gaza’s civilian population. Sick!

Ehud Barak, for instance, was the defense minister who directed Israel’s disproportionate attacks on Gaza in 2008-2009 and again in 2012. He was also one of the closest associates of Michael Federman, a former member of his Sayeret Matkal commando unit and a political advisor who also happened to be the owner of Israel’s largest weapons manufacturer, Elbit Systems. SICK!

It was perhaps unsurprising then that, after leading the Defense Ministry during so many wars deploying and promoting Elbit's latest weaponry, Barak's name suddenly wound up on the Forbes list of Israel’s wealthiest politicians in 2012.

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Among the high tech weaponry being touted by the magazine is a drone “capable of loitering over the target and attacking it.” This is a reference to Israeli Aerospace Industries’ Harop, a “suicide drone” first tested in southern Lebanon that hovers over its target before diving into it with 10 kilograms of explosives packed into its nose.


With militaries around the world snapping up the Harop by the hundreds, Israel’s weapons sector is eager to roll out a next generation vehicle that includes its own launch pad. In order to brand the newfangled drone with the magical marketing label of “field tested,” IAI simply needs another war.

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