Cops: Vendor Shoots Woman at Pennsylvania Gun Show.
Source: nyt/ap
BLOOMSBURG, Pa. A vendor accidentally shot a woman in the leg while demonstrating a gun and holster at a central Pennsylvania gun show, police said.
The Columbia County district attorney's office will determine whether the vendor, Geoffrey Hawk, will face criminal charges stemming from the shooting Saturday at the Bloomsburg Fairgrounds, Officer Brad Sharrow said.
Hawk, 44, of Warminster, didn't immediately return calls Sunday to his cellphone and business, In Case of Emergency Enterprises. He was manning a booth for his business at the Eagle Arms Gun show at the time of the shooting.
Hawk told police he thought the gun was unloaded when he demonstrated a concealed-carry wallet holster to the woman, Krista Gearhart, 25, of Orangeville. Gearhart was treated and released for a thigh wound at Geisinger Medical Center in Danville.
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shenmue
(38,506 posts)Uhhhhh boy.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nice.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)DFW
(54,465 posts)Oh, wait.
Never mind.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)treat all guns as loaded and never ever point them at something you do not want to shoot.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)You should go pass this info to the people who are obsessed with guns and need them by their side 24/7.
CanonRay
(14,125 posts)Somebody selling vacuums better know how to work the damn thing.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and I bet he does but just got lazy
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)100 million plus or minus gun owners and actually for the numbers very low incidents like this.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)motorcycle to work due to drunk and distracted drivers
samsingh
(17,602 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)we can disagree
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I know the odds and I do not fear things that are not likely to happen. Much more worried about crazy ass car drivers.
Thank you for your concern
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Man, that is a classic.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)as you know nothing about me, it might be better for you not to comment about me.
So I am very consistent, thank you.
Hope you are having a great day
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)The surprise is that we allow guns to be available as if they are not people killers.
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)they are supposed to be unloaded. Just sayin.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)a combination of two rules
1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
Orrex
(63,247 posts)Soylent Brice
(8,308 posts)Vinca
(50,322 posts)He should have his license to sell guns taken away for only "thinking" the gun was unloaded and not checking.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)In the future, he should also make sure the gun is unloaded by looking directly down the barrel and pulling the trigger a few times.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Paladin
(28,280 posts)Restaurants, yes. Shopping malls, yes. Playgrounds, yes. But gun shows? Absolutely not!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)in most situations. Yet gun fanciers expect us to smile when some yahoo straps on a gun to go to Chuck E Cheese or something.
Paladin
(28,280 posts)....when they contemplate the No Loaded Guns At Gun Shows vs. Loaded Guns Allowed At Restaurants And Bars situation, have got to think: "Jesus, we are way out on the edge here. This stuff is full-tilt, bat-shit CRAZY!"
Nihil
(13,508 posts)I was wondering how he managed to get away without half a dozen
"good guys with guns" shooting him to death in response ... I hadn't
realised that the laws were quite so ridiculous as they are!
It's a shame really that the gun show law is as it is: one accidental discharge
could result in a spreading (over) reaction that would take an awful lot of
gun-nuts off the street ...
Paladin
(28,280 posts)Lots and lots of border-line cases wander the aisles at big gun shows. They've cut back on the Nazi memorabilia displays for PR purposes, but the strange ones still turn up, en masse......
Iggo
(47,581 posts)("Gun-fuckers" does not refer to any DUer or their loved-ones.)
rocktivity
(44,583 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 29, 2014, 08:23 PM - Edit history (2)
from the lazy to the crazy.
rocktivity
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)How often do we read that line following the twice-a-week "accidental" shooting?
Get a clue, guys.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)what a gun is used for. Seems it worked.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)BAM. I'm thinking, we may need to look into some of these gun seller's mental health issues also.
Alex P Notkeaton
(309 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)rocktivity
(44,583 posts)was how to check to make sure the gun wasn't loaded...
rocktivity
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)tosh
(4,424 posts)to make me go to a gun show.
TeamPooka
(24,279 posts)TeamPooka
(24,279 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)
Gun Deaths Since Newtown now exceeds U.S. Military deaths in 20 war-yearsThe tally of Americans killed by guns since the Newtown Sandy Hook shootings on December 14, 2012 now stands at 6734, as reported on the Slate site How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?
August 1, 2013, 7:28 PDT
Matched Deaths: 6,734 or more since Newtown
Slate characterizes their number as follows:
How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html
As time goes on, our count gets further and further away from the likely actual number of gun deaths in Americabecause roughly 60 percent of deaths by gun are due to suicides, which are very rarely reported. When discussing this issue, please note that our number is by design not accurate and represents only the number of gun deaths that the media can find out about contemporaneously. Part of the purpose of this interactive is to point out how difficult it is to get accurate real-time numbers on this issue.
Using the most recent CDC estimates for yearly deaths by guns in the United States, it is likely that as of today, 8/1/2013, roughly 19,884 people have died from guns in the United States since the Newtown shootings. Compare that number to the number of deaths reported in the news in our interactive below, and you can see how undertold the story of gun violence in America actually is.
The number of days that have elapsed from the Newtown shootings, December 14, 2012 to today, August 1, 2013 is 230. Counting only the 6734 gun deaths reported by Slate, the death rate over that period is 29.28 deaths per day. Taking the extrapolated number of 19,884 gun deaths based on CDC estimates, the death rate is 86.45 per day.
For comparison the number reported by Slate now exceeds, by 8, the number of U.S. military deaths in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation New Dawn, and Operation Enduring Freedom) as reported by the U.S. Department of Defense as of Aug. 1, 2013, 10 a.m. ED.
The U.S. military war death counts are:
Operation Iraqi Freedom 4409
Operation New Dawn 66
Operation Enduring Freedom 2251 (2123 in Afghanistan, 127 other locations)
The total count of military deaths is 6726. If DOD civilians deaths were to be included the total would increase by 16.
Operation Iraqi Freedom began 20 March 2003, became Operation New Dawn on September 1, 2010, which ended 15 December 2011, so lasted 8 years, 8 months, 3 weeks and 4 days, or approximately 3182 days. The death rate in OIF/OND was 1.406 deaths per day.
Operation Enduring Freedom began 7 October 2001 and is ongoing, so spans 11 years, 9 months, 3 weeks and 2 days as of August 1, 2013. This is approximately 4317 days, so the death rate in OEF is 0.52 deaths per day.
The current combined total time for the three operations is 20 years, 6 months and 17 days or approximately 7499 war-days, so the average death rate over the period is ~.897 per war-day.
Of course, these statistics take a very insular view of the wars and represent a small fraction of the overall carnage, destruction, and upheaval that have occurred and are still occurring due to our military operations.
to DreamGypsy:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023390343
That piece was less than a year ago. Now weekend warriors patrol public roads, setting up armed checkpoints and their followers mowing down police and anyone who tries to be a responsible CCW in Nevada, with CT hate radio applauding the whole thing.
I have nothing against those who NEED to use guns to hunt ANIMALS for FOOD, not sport, but am firmly opposed to those who WANT to hunt HUMANS as sport with their new version of political speech, conflating the First and Second Amendments.
I'm suspicious of the gun show crowd from stories on DU and gun owners with their 'Second Amendment Solution' bumper stickers and lists of HUMANS they plan to hunt like animals:
In case anyone doesn't get where they are coming from, check out more lists of people they want to shoot (ignoring the 'liberal' ones):
http://www.zazzle.com/2nd+amendment+bumperstickers
I dare say that I and many people I care about fall on one of those lists and it is NOT okay. Because the record of wing nut terrorism is not really in dispute at DU.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I have been known to say things I shouldnt, so I wont say anything other than
guns are not necessary to a civilized society, at all
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023843005#post19
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023843601#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101676074#post2
My dad had a gun which was permitted but only because he carried large sums of cash from his business home after the banks closed, but never had to use them. The only time he came close to using one was when a man broke into our house and made for the girls' bedroom. He didn't 'stand his ground' and kill the man, he knew he didn't have to do that.
He did pistol whip him and call the police who arrested the man, a felon with a record. He never brandished his weapon, never indulged himself in hate (for that is what it is, an indulgence that tastes sweet to fools), never bragged how he hated the government, nv=ever acted like no one could tell him what to do, ran his mouth or anything. He was a big man, and quite gregarious and wanted peace, and he didn't need the security of constant carry.
The ownership and use of a gun should be in all cases handled with all the solemnity of putting down a pet, turning off life support to a braindead relative or burying the dead. IT IS A TRAGEDY in all phases, from beginning to end.
It is to be used in an absolute necessity, not because one is offended or paranoid that 'those people' might hurt one There should be NO JOY or PRIDE in using a gun or killing ANYTHING, loving how a weapon works, glamorizing its lethality, or preparing to kill anything or anyone. That is pure psychopathy and hatred for life. Yet they call themselves 'pro-life' but fantasize about killing - Jesus said it's what in your heart that you will be judged for - they need to take a look at that bottomless pit in their chest and soul.
These clowns are devolving our society into something worse than the old west or the fascist regimes we once spoke out about, with death squads. The CTers call America a 'police state' with all the zeal of Jared Miller, but have worn blinders about just how much of the world is ruled that way, where people can't vote and change anything.
We still can, but they seem to want it to all burn, for the hell of it, out of malice for some thing that offended them, so they refuse to do anything constructive. Will they be there to protect the vulnerable, the unpopular and poor then?
Don't count on it as there isn't an altruistic bone in their pathologically selfish, miserable bodies.
I've always hated rude salespeople.
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)man!!!!! that has been said hundreds of thousands of times in fatal and non-fatal accidental shooting. No excuse for an alleged gun vendor........
MH1
(17,608 posts)Or maybe not, sigh.
I'm in PA and probably should know this, but don't. However, I doubt it is anything like that in this messed-up state.
Seems to me if one could have their livelihood suspended for 6 months or so for a royal eff-up like not realizing the gun was loaded. there might be less possibility of such eff-up. As it is I guess there will be a lawsuit or so but that will take years and probably insurance will cover it. Sigh.
this one should.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)billh58
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Aristus
(66,487 posts)Jesus! What a cavalcade of idiocy, stupidity, ineptness, incompetence, short-sightedness, selfishness, self-importance, delusion, blockheadedness, clumsiness, and denial the gun-owning community is.
"I thought it was unloaded" is a redneck epigram far worse than "Here, hold m'beer 'n' watch 'iss!" Because with the latter, it's usually only the speaker who gets injured or killed due to some combination of the factors listed above.
"I thought it was unloaded" is the law-abiding gun-owner's convenient cover for their own absurdity, after someone else has been injured or killed...
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Loudly
(2,436 posts)You're getting people hurt dumbshit.
Come over to the light. Shithead caveman assholes.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)"Shithead caveman assholes"
sure seems like it.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)that would be all private gun owners, I did not see any other qualifier.
after public gun ownership he went on
Come over to the light. Shithead caveman assholes.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I am the gun dealer with the best name, from the best town. I should be the star of an effing comic book, my arms-dealing credentials are so solid. People buy guns from me just so they can say they bought a gun from a dude named Hawk from Warminster. Hell, I don't even need that fake eye patch, anymore. People just assume I am bad ass.
My future is perfectly secure, exactly as secure as the weapons I sell and demonstrate...
... aw, sheeit.
kevman2112
(1 post)Went back and forth with this guy for 3 weeks trying to arrange firearms safety training and a pistol purchase. I knew him a lifetime ago and thought I'd throw some business his way after he got some REAL BAD publicity from accidentally shooting someone last summer. I even convinced a friend to give this guy business and then he dropped off the face of the Earth. Can't do business with an unreliable vendor.
truthisfreedom
(23,160 posts)Totally avoidable.
ECHOFIELDS
(25 posts)Great sales technique!
Mr. Hawk, 44, of Warminster was clearly using the
powerful sales technique invented by a Mr. Dickie Cheney, 72, of Wyoming to point out where on a lady's anatomy the concealed-carry wallet holster is designed to be concealed. Proper Dickster etiquette Dicktates that she, not only apologize to him for rudely getting her shapely thigh in the way of his brassy slug, but also thank him for plugging her below the waistline which is usually a non-fatal target area and thus harmless. If she rudely refuses to use proper high classed Dickster etiquette and instead attempts to sue him for bodily harm then he has every right to claim his Stand-Yer-Ground self-defense and be acquitted by a jury of his NRA pears.
NBachers
(17,156 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Knowing mouth breathing gun humpers like this idiot at the gun show are walking around on the street 24/7 with their loaded lethal firearms?
Just remember at your kids funeral that the price of freedom is high and...the tree of democracy needed watering...and..uh..the Gadsden flag...yeah.