Police: College student disarmed Seattle gunman
Source: AP-Excite
By MANUEL VALDES and PHUONG LE
SEATTLE (AP) A lone gunman armed with a shotgun opened fire Thursday in a building at a small Seattle university, fatally wounding one person before a student subdued him with pepper spray as he tried to reload, Seattle police said.
A student building monitor at Seattle Pacific University disarmed the gunman, and several other students jumped on top of him and pinned him down until police arrived at the Otto Miller building, police said.
A 19-year-old man died at the hospital. Three other people were injured. A critically injured 20-year-old woman was taken to surgery, Harborview Medical Center spokeswoman Susan Gregg said. A 24-year-old man and a 22-year-old man were in satisfactory condition.
Gregg says one of those two men was not shot. None of the victims was immediately identified.
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Emergency personnel arrive on the scene near a shooting on the Seattle Pacific University campus Thursday, June 5, 2014, in Seattle. The university posted online Thursday that "the campus is in lockdown due to a shooting near Otto Miller Hall. (AP Photo/The Seattle Times, Dean Rutz) SEATTLE OUT; USA TODAY OUT; MAGS OUT; TELEVISION OUT; NO SALES; MANDATORY CREDIT TO BOTH THE SEATTLE TIMES AND THE PHOTOGRAPHER
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Hmm. Seems to counter an NRA argument that the only way to get these shooters, is to arm everybody. Pepper spray, good for the young man armed with it and NOT a gun.
Where were all those mighty men of action, the awesome Good Guys With Guns? How many of these horrors have they stopped to date?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not everyone with a CPL carries 24x7. Police are only 0.00052% of the population.
There have been SOME, but not many. Physical proximity of a person who is not a dirtbag, and carrying, is required. Tyler Tx. Courthouse shooting; life saved by non-police armed response, who died saving a kid. Maldonado/Tacoma Mall shooting, armed non-police responder was paralyzed, no further fatalities after he intervened. Nevada IHOP shooting, armed CPL holder too far away, across the parking lot. Shooter had a rifle, responder had a pistol. Unable to compete.
Etc.
If they are close, willing to intervene, and happen to be armed, there are examples where they have helped. But the odds are not good that one is around when something happens. Too small a percentage of the population.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There are quite enough people already carrying, or licensed to do so, who really have no credible business doing so.
Still, I dont think it reasonable to assume there are enough to warrant an expectation that someone would be likely to be in a position to end more of these attacks with a gun. And if they did, it would lend credence to the whole idea anyway.
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LAGC
(5,330 posts)Too bad the shooter didn't pay heed.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)before reloading would have been required.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)and he needed to reload. If it had been a semi-automatic assault type weapon, with large magazine, he might have killed many more people.
Now...if you ask me, this is a excellent reason to limit the type of guns people can own. No handguns, unless you are licensed and need it for your job, and only hunting rifles that can't use magazines or hold too many rounds.
I know this is not a popular position to take with 2A people, but damn it, the lives of our kids do matter...much more than anyone's constitutional right to own any damn weapon they want.
CAO
(20 posts)I'm sure some lives could be saved if we removed the protections against illegal search and seizure. Let the authorities in whenever they feel like it to check and make sure.
Would cut down on crime too..
You could bring back the 18th amendment and prohibit alcohol as well... One of the leading causes behind all sorts of abuse and deaths for children.
Maybe nibble away at the first to make sure kids don't get any "bad ideas."
You can never be too careful... or so it seems...
Edit: I am treading on Poe's law it seems... Oh well...
Heywood J
(2,515 posts)You can't remove what's already gone.
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passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)is no longer playing either...
The NRA's response will obviously be that the killer might have earlier been shot at random when he stopped by a fast-food establishment, thus preventing this terrible tragedy.
Ask yourself: How many would-be mass-killings might have been prevented by everyone toting a gun and shooting someone who didn't look right?
That's where the NRA wants to take us, I think.
Cha
(298,020 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)Who knew huh?
stone space
(6,498 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Bonhomme Richard
(9,001 posts)More rounds in a magazine translates into more deaths before someone has a chance to stop the shooter.. End of story.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Granted, there are now shotguns in the same stick-mag-fed semi-auto configuration as any AK-type rifle.
(Saiga)
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)"It makes no difference!" they shout, like the gullible dumbshit tools of the gun manufacturers they are. "You can't even define 'magazine.'"
Gunners are fucking disgusting garbage.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)You can be disarmed by a college student, basement dwelling gun nuts.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)"a student subdued him with pepper spray"
Pepper spray the criminals not the citizens!
At the same time I'm appalled there isn't 75 bullets in his body!
FFS
valerief
(53,235 posts)Another preventable tragedy.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)I'm sure thankful he only had a shotgun, and not another AR-15 and handguns with hundreds of rounds of ammo. So sad.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)well done, and eat shit LaPierre.
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)they could have wounds that affect their walking, arm movement, etc.
The articles never go into that. These are horrible events no matter how many lose their lives.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)These are devastating injuries.
Aristus
(66,522 posts)This dude has courage, and I salute him!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)front-desk crew, college sophomores, and professors
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Rocknrule
(5,697 posts)to know that the shooter was a Klebold/Harris disciple.
Seriously, has there been even a single shooting in the past 15 years that WASN'T inspired by Columbine? It's getting so old and so predictable.