Israel gears up to mark Holocaust Remembrance Day

[Behind the Aegis]

Source: Jerusalem Post

On Sunday evening and Monday Israelis will mark Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Day with memorials across the country. The commemoration of the six million European Jews murdered by the Germans will commence with torch lighting ceremony attended by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres and other senior officials at the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum in Jerusalem. Chief Rabbis Yitzhak Yosef and David Lau, as well as Lau’s father, Israel Meir Lau, himself a former chief rabbi and chairman of the Yad Vashem Council, will also be present.

Six Holocaust survivors are slated to light torches, each representing one million victims. Following the opening ceremony, whose theme this year is “Jews On the Edge 1944: Between Annihilation and Liberation,” Yad Vashem will hold a symposium on Holocaust remembrance in Israel at Tel Aviv’s Habimah Theater.

Yom HaShoah this year comes only weeks after Frazier Glenn Miller, an elder white supremacist, killed three people at a Kansas Jewish Community Center. As he was taken away by police following the shooting, the former Klansman shouted Heil Hitler. The memory of the Holocaust has been at the center of several political disputes this year, with Ukrainians and Russians trading barbs of antisemitism and unknown actors urging Jews in Eastern Ukraine to register themselves.

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To mark the 70th anniversary of the mass deportation and murder of over 585,000 Hungarian Jews during World War II, hundreds of highschool students from across the globe will travel by train from Budapest to Auschwitz, where they will join 10,000 other students to march to the Birkenau extermination camp.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Israel-gears-up-to-mark-Holocaust-Remembrance-Day-350501

[dreamerBoy]

1. Once again, no mention of MILLIONS of GENTILE Poles, Ukrainians and others killed in death camps..

See, for example:

http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Holocaust-German-Occupation-1939-1944/dp/0781809010

[Behind the Aegis]

3. Right out of the gate. No surprises there.

There is a difference between Yom HaShoah and other Holocaust remembrance days. Since you are so interested, note Poland's date: 19 April date of the Warsaw Uprising.

[AnalystInParadise]

58. LOL

I was expecting the same from the neighborhood Jew dislikers. Today is the day for Jews to remember, that is all.

[Journeyman]

6. Why should there be? It's an Israeli paper reporting on the commemoration of "Jews on the Edge". . .

And what's with a link to a book on a "Forgotten Holocaust"? When was this "forgotten," and by whom? And if it was forgotten, is it the responsibilities of the Jews to remember it?

For those of us versed in the history of Nazi death factories, there is little forgotten about Polish exterminations. Or, for that matter, of Polish complicity -- for as with most nations, there's a checkered past throughout Europe and across the globe when the topic is the War and the death factories. And not just the victims or collaborators. Questions of who were the perpetrators and what were the effects continue to reverberate to this day.

See, for example: The Dark Side of the Moon: What Really Happened in Poland During the Russian Occupation 1939-1945, Preface by T.S. Eliot, Introduction by Helena Sikorska, written by Anonymous (1947: Charles Scribner's Sons). http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Moon-Incredible-Occupation/dp/B00120EBJI/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398580090&sr=1-4&keywords=dark+side+of+the+moon+ts+eliot

[Kali]

55. you sort of sound like all the white guys around here whining about their underprivileged status

Of course there were other victims of the Nazis but this thread isn't really the place for your comments, especially the WAY you barged in with them.

[ucrdem]

2. K'n'R

[JDPriestly]

4. K&R for the many innocent people who died in the Holocaust.

Never forget.

[steve2470]

5. k&r never forget nt

[dreamerBoy]

7. Awareness

Awareness needs to be raised of the Nazi genocide of millions of non-Jewish victims - (not least in the Jewish community itself). Jews have basically co-opted these historical events as only affecting them and have taught the world to see it this way also. It is not factually accurate.

[Behind the Aegis]

8. I already explained that happens on other days.

There are few people who are unaware of the others being massacred by the Nazi empire. Why does the awareness of the 63% of European Jews who were eliminated bother you?

[The Magistrate]

9. Good Of You To Warn Us About Those Deceitful Joooos, Fella

Surely you do have a rock to crawl back under, eh?

[Journeyman]

10. You still haven't answered my questions, up in #6 above. . .

How can you expect factual accuracy from others when you skirt your own issues? . . .

[bravenak]

24. Chill.

You are making me nervous.

[Israeli]

27. good advice bravenak....

good advice all around .... y'all are making me nervous .

[bravenak]

29. I hope thats the end of that.

Sorry you had to see this here. Sometimes people just end up in the wrong place. Nothing wrong with a Rememberance Day. I hope you have been well.

[Israeli]

41. I'm OK bravenak...

...to be honest next week is a much harder time for me ...then its Yom Hazikaron.
Much closer for rememberance for me ...so many lost loved ones and all in the last 40+ years .

I understood the " Arab " quote from someone ....perhaps he should read this :

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.587514

" Today, on the eve of Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Day, we should have marshaled the mental strength to empathize with those who live under the tyranny of another nation. Just as we admire the powers of resistance of Europe’s conquered nations, the Partisans and the Resistance, we should be able to understand the Palestinian resistance to the Israeli occupation. It should be one of the lessons of the Holocaust, the opposite of the state’s brainwashing, which is now set to begin in kindergarten. "

[LeftishBrit]

31. Not so. Most people who know much about the Holocaust at all...

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are aware that it involved many groups.

A higher proportion of Jews (nearly two-thirds of Europaean Jews; one-third of Jews worldwide) were killed, than any other group; but that does not mean that anyone with a serious awareness of that time, does not realize that many others were murdered.

One group that you don't mention is the Roma/Gypsies.

Never Again, anywhere.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. "He" also didn't mention gays.

Like Jews, gay men wore triangles much larger than others so they more easily spotted. However, unlike Jews, pink triangles brought on attacks within the camps too.

[LeftishBrit]

36. Very true and very sad.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Have you ever been to Yad Vashem?

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/about/01/non_jews_persecution.asp

You are completely and utterly wrong. Those who have committed their lives to ensuring humanity never forgets the Holocaust have done nothing except make sure to remember ALL the victims.


Shame on you.

[azurnoir]

42. Thank you that should be remembered

[7962]

44. Everyone knows that others were killed by the Nazis, Dreamer. And by the Russians as well.

So whats your point here? The story is about commemorating the Holocaust. Its not denying the thousands or millions of other nationalities killed. Jewish leaders routinely mention all others killed by the nazis.

[Scootaloo]

53. "Jews have basically co-opted these historical events..."

You know, next time you feel the urge to try to say something profound... don't. Just think it really hard while squinting at the screen, and move on or something.

[leftynyc]

60. Go to Yad Vashem

and learn something so you don't come here and sound like such a ignoramus. I see some people have claimed you're making them nervous. You're making me disgusted.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. "by the Germans"...

NOT the "Arabs".

It wasn't even ALL of the Germans.

It wasn't the ones who make strudel, chocolate and cuckoo clocks.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. What?

How do you know which Germans were responsible? Why the mention of Arabs?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Haven't you noticed the claim it's okay for Israelis to attack "Arabs" because "The Holocaust"?

[Behind the Aegis]

17. And it has what to do with this article?

Oh, I see. It is wrong for them to conflate, but not you. Got it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. The Right Wing there uses fear to stay in power. You KNOW THAT. (I hope)

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Yes. It also isn't right for others to mar a remembrance. You KNOW THAT. (right?)

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. That whole "Never Forget" was ALSO a warning to make sure the world doesn't go there again...

Which included getting SUCKERED into the stuff the Nazis did to gain power, like their use of the fear of "terrorists" to create a police state. They claimed theirs were from Poland though.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. And yet, so many are "suckered" when it comes to Jews.

A simple article about the remembrance of the Holocaust spawns such disdain, disrespect, even hate. Oh, and you are wrong about them claiming their "terrorists" were from Poland, they claimed they were Jews...from everywhere, a theme that lives on today.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. Where was there "hate" in what I typed?

Oh, and they didn't claim the "terrorists" were Jews. They claimed they were Communists.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. I didn't say anything about your post being hateful.

Wrong. They claimed their "terrorists" were Jews.

[Israeli]

32. Jews and Communists ....

Hasnt anybody read ' Mein Kampf ' ?

[Behind the Aegis]

34. It was boring as shit and poorly written.

Both were interchangeable. However, it was the Jews who were seen as the real problem.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. I thought you were claiming I was a denier....

BTW: The Nazis were composed of a lot of bitter RURAL WWI vets who thought they could have won if it weren't for being "stabbed in the back" by weakling Liberals and plotting Jews back in Berlin. It was an attitude so prevalent that Hitler was given a lenient sentence by a sympathetic judge who fought in WWI when he was arrested for treason.

As for the "terrorists", in particular, the Reichstag fire that gave what was a minority party a majority, those were supposedly Bolsheviks from over the border in Poland. Hitler invaded Poland "to free it's people" (sound familiar?) and to gain access to it's vast coal fields. (sound familiar?) Keep in mind the PUBLIC was being told the death camps were work camps.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Sorta like the claim that it's okay to derail a Holocaust rememberance thread

because of the occupied territories?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. You aren't supposed to call them that.

[7962]

49. Actually, the Israelis attack the Arabs when THEY are attacked by rockets and suicide attacks

It has nothing to do with the Holocaust; its about self defense. But if you think firing rockets into a country every day doesnt warrant a response, then so be it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. That's called "collective punishment".

[Scootaloo]

57. We have a group for this discussion; you and spitfire are welcome to join in

We always like to have fresh meat... er, opinions over in the I/P forum.

[LeftishBrit]

33. Who said it was the Arabs?

This is becoming crazy. Was that a knee-jerk reaction to the word 'Israel'?

And no one says it was ALL the Germans, either. It was the German government, and those who 'just obeyed its orders', and its collaborators.

[840high]

45. How do you know?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. Chocolate doesn't go with hate....

Oh wait,...I just remembered an office party when I tried to get to a chocolate fountain guarded by women.

[Scootaloo]

54. Chocolate and cuckoo clocks are Switzerland, bud

[Spitfire of ATJ]

56. And in the Black Forest.

[Cha]

13. Mahalo, BtA~

[Behind the Aegis]

14. Of course, you can see the reception this article is getting.

Scary, huh?

[Cha]

15. ..

Ignorance.

[Behind the Aegis]

18. Which is why this "holiday" exists.

The irony of it all is outstanding.

[Israeli]

28. Its not a "holiday" /nt

[Behind the Aegis]

30. That is why the word is in quotes.

[bravenak]

25. Rec

Sorry about the responses you are getting. This is a time to be supportive- not attack. We should not forget or minimize this tragedy.

[Sunlei]

37. Only 70 years ago, so fresh in our history.

[Violet_Crumble]

43. K&R...

לא עוד

Okay, if the Babylon translator worked properly, that's 'Never again' in Hebrew. I suspect maybe only one or two people in this thread know Hebrew, so I thought I'd better tell people what it said...

Something some people might not be aware of, and I think it was a really moving tribute to the victims of the Holocaust was that Israel granted them posthumous Israeli citizenship in 1985...

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-05-09/news/mn-6754_1_posthumous-citizenship

p.s. I think it's really sad that this thread got some responses it did.

[7962]

50. Remember, to some here its always "Israel/US bad"

In their minds, I wonder if they think how much better the world would be if those two countries didnt exist?

[laurent]

51. "Yad Vashem with an Air Force" -- Thomas Friedman

That is what Mr. Friedman called Israel in his book, From Beirut to Jerusalem. Yad Vashem is the holocaust museum near Jerusalem.

Friedman also said in the book that Israel will never find peace until Israelis "get over" the holocaust.

He wrote that book a long time ago. I don't know whether he still agrees with those provocative remarks today.

[AnalystInParadise]

59. Well yes

But Friedman is the same clown that thinks China is going to be the economic powerhouse of the 21st century and that Putin is just misunderstood.

[laurent]

61. That doesn't mean Friedman is wrong about everything.

I don't like his positions on some issues. For example, he supported the Iraq War. But I was not citing him as an authority, merely as the source of a very interesting remark.