AIG CEO Says Outrage Over Wall Street Bonuses ‘Was Just As Wrong’ As Lynchings In The Deep South
Source: Think Progress
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, AIG CEO Bob Benmosche came out with the worst analogy for the 2009 financial crisis. Benmosche compared public outrage over AIGs bonuses to the Deep South lynching African-Americans. It was just as bad and just as wrong, he said, because employees were used to a certain way of living:
Now you have these bright young people (in the financial-products unit) who had nothing to do with (the bad bets that hurt the company.)
They understand the derivatives very well; they understand the complexity.
Theyre all scared. They (had made) good livings. They probably lived beyond their means.
They arent going to stay there for nothing.
The uproar over bonuses was intended to stir public anger, to get everybody out there with their pitch forks and their hangman nooses, and all thatsort of like what we did in the Deep South (decades ago). And I think it was just as bad and just as wrong.
Its been five years since AIG was rescued with a $85 billion loan from the government after the mega-insurer mismanaged itself to near collapse, and its hard to see how they were victimized, let alone lynched. Since then, AIG has expressed its gratitude by paying executives $165 million in bonuses, briefly considering suing the government for more, and expressing disappointment AIG never received a thank you from government officials.
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/24/2671131/aig-bonus-outrage-lynching/
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)The statements in the OP are even too outrageous for the Onion!
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)that is so wrong on so many levels that it defies response.
SharonAnn
(13,778 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)First off, you're dead fucking wrong.
Secondly, you're dead fucking wrong.
In closing, you're still; dead fucking wrong.
P.S. Fuck You!
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)It'd be nice if history repeated!!! About time people woke up to these rogues....we don't need them and their conniving schemes that just redistribute wealth upwards....just sack 'em ....the new people could not possibly do any worse...haven't the top ten hedge fund managers had bonuses exceeding $1,000,000,000 collectively....not bad work if you can get it....
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)What Earth First said.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Did nothing wrong and were scapegoated and unappreciated. We serfs just don't understand how rough they have it or how much they do for us. We should be grateful for the crumbs they haven't figured out how to steal yet.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)bluesbassman
(19,379 posts)You however not only survived your company's "lynchings", but continue to waste air by making asinine statements.
Please do us taxpayers who bailed your company out a favor and STFU.
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)But as it is....
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Let's do it! Or life in prison, without parole. I'm flexible.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)just kidding, kinda
BillyRibs
(787 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, released a statement Tuesday afternoon calling for Benmosche to resign from AIG, saying, As the leading critic of AIGs lavish spending before and after its taxpayer funded bailoutand as the son of sharecroppers who actually experienced lynchings in their communitiesI find it unbelievably appalling that Mr. Benmosche equates the violent repression of the African American people with congressional efforts to prevent the waste of taxpayer dollars. If these statements are true, I believe he has demonstrated a fundamental inability to lead this modern global company in a responsible mannera company that exists today only because it was rescued by the American taxpayersand that he should resign his position as CEO immediately.
Benmosche should resign.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Kind makes me want to hurt him, a feeling I do NOT enjoy.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,414 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)it is appalling that this entitled ass would have the nerve to make such a comparison - but, honestly, it indicates the total lack of empathy on the part of most of the wealthy in this nation - and the world.
it also demonstrates it's impossible to have a rational discussion with them about financial issues.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)warrant46
(2,205 posts)In fact he is sitting at the Edge of the Public Trough ready for his next opportunity to swill Lotsa $$$$$
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Yes, that's how they really think, folks.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)They saved the world by being bailed out. Next dose of free money?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)So this will have to do:
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Does he really want to go there?
sgtbenobo
(327 posts).... Then Jams it's Shoes Up it's ASS!
Film at 11.
Carry on.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,182 posts)Maybe these assholes feel victimized?
gopiscrap
(23,764 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)just like serial killers and rapists are USED TO their crimes, we should be providing them with more victims, and saying thank you while we do...
just in case someone is clueless..
alfredo
(60,075 posts)If he wants real life experience, I'm sure there's some homeless people would volunteer being his teacher.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)They're empowered and evidently live in a luxurious bubble.
K&R to expose the vile beast.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)Tikki
(14,559 posts)They will say the stupidest thing to try to justify. They are totally lacking any emotion except greed.
Tikki
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)not only allows, but encourages. No wonder I'm a commie.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)How ironic that a black President would say that about big bankers, who are absolute fucking scumbags that compare outrage over bonuses to lynching.
Obama: I 'don't begrudge people success or wealth'
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/02/obama-i-dont-begrudge-people-success-or-wealth/1#.UkIl9ihlpMK
President Obama -- the scourge of what he calls unearned Wall Street bonuses -- says he doesn't mind people who get rich through good work.
"I, like most of the American people, don't begrudge people success or wealth," Obama said in an interview Tuesday with Bloomberg BusinessWeek. "That's part of the free market system. I do think that the compensation package that we've seen over the last decade at least have not matched up always to performance."
Obama was responding to a question about new bonuses for Wall Street types Lloyd Blankfein ($9 million) and Jamie Dimon ($17 million). Obama said, "I know both those guys" and "they're very savvy businessmen."
...
Lloyd is doing God's work. Outrage over his bonus is like being crucified.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)"I do think that the compensation package that we've seen over the last decade at least have not matched up always to performance."
"I know both those guys" and "they're very savvy businessmen."
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Or an inverse straw man argument.
Somebody was overpaid who didn't deserve it, but not anybody who could be found.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)But these greedy bastards are succeeding by slaying the American workers. Their success comes with a very heavy price.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)Do it, Crucify them! I am sick to my stomach! Hang all bankers and horse thieves!
chervilant
(8,267 posts)"I, like most of the American people, don't begrudge people success or wealth," Obama said in an interview Tuesday with Bloomberg BusinessWeek. "That's part of the free market system."
By his words, we should know him. I remain most disappointed in Obama's laissez faire attitude toward these criminal hedonists. "Free market system," my rear appendage! No wonder Obama doesn't listen to Krugman...
Beacool
(30,251 posts)He's the same a-hole who said over a year ago that the governments of Europe and the US should consider raising the retirement age to 70 - 80 years old because people live longer now than in the past.
When he was the CEO of Met Life he outsourced around 10,000 jobs. I have heard from someone who worked there that the company hasn't been the same since. He was in retirement when the board of AIG offered him the job a couple of years ago. He is decimating the employees there too. They are quietly sending hundreds of jobs to the Philippines.
For his efforts, he was rewarded recently with a $13M bonus. The immorality of it all makes me sick!!!
Lasher
(27,635 posts)And yet I am not surprised.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Investment bankers were the real victims of the financial collapse, not the perps. And the Pope's a Protestant. And the Civil War wasn't about slavery. And (fill in the blank).
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)yup...
Squinch
(50,999 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)rurallib
(62,445 posts)wouldn't have seen any hangings, but I bet there would be some rich asses in jail right now.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)FFS
-p
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)I'd agree.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)see if it changes his mind.
durablend
(7,464 posts)In YOUR case I think the guillotine is warranted.
RobertoRoberti
(30 posts)In the real world, employees get a bonus when the company does well. It is supposed to reward their contribution to the company's extra success. I'll bet most Democrats don't begrudge anyone that.
A company that is bailed out is a failure. Nobody deserves a bonus. AIG's attitude is like coming in last place and expecting a Super Bowl ring. If we had a real free enterprise system, instead of a corporate welfare state, everyone would understand that implicitly. But we don't. That's why it's easier to take the pensions away from hardworking teachers and firefighters than to take the bonuses away from corporate failures.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)They were paid a very small salary and the rest was dependent on performance, but the company never explained it properly to the public and people thought that these were bonuses given on top of a substantial salary. For example, one executive got paid $1, his $700K "bonus" was actually his annual compensation. What's more, AIG in the past never gave bonuses to the vast majority of their staff (only top management).
As for the current CEO, he's vile and disliked by most of the employees.
windsormich19454
(6 posts)I wonder if such pricks know anything about the guillotine. They were used quite frequently by the French eons ago to teach such folk a hard lesson. So they'd better be careful to not piss us off too much....
Octafish
(55,745 posts)OTOH, Tim Geithner used America's homeowners to foam the runway for AIG and the banksters.
CBHagman
(16,987 posts)...though that depends on how far the story gets, and how the company reacts, and of course whether the media (Fox News, anybody?) tries to spin this.
That said, I understand Benmosche's tenure as CEO dates from 2009, not earlier.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Millions of American kids go to ill-equipped schools in crowded classrooms. And since the economic meltdown, the schools have less money than even before. Millions of oher Americans lost their jobs. Many lost their homes. All thanks to Wall Street and the false security of the derivatives.
The privileged few who work for failed Wall Street firms, banks and AIG should have taken their cuts just like everyone else.
A lot of people just as talented and hard-working as the recipients of the Wall Street bonuses lost everything. What a greedy, self-centered bunch.
This argument only persuades those who got the bonuses. They certainly don't persuade anyone out in middle America.
Cha
(297,595 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)worry his ugly big head. He's a Baron and he's bitching about the food like he's a peasant.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)I'd have some stories of my own, knowing some of those folks. Their general mindset has no room to think of us as humans.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)he is going about it the right way.
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Up, down, and sideways.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I am all for free speech, but this is so stupid and insensitive that he needs to be fired. What happened in 2008 was nothing like the lynchings in the South. In the South, people were lynched for either just being black, or being white and fighting for causes that benefitted black people. In 2008 people were angry that people who had helped almost bring down the U.S. and world economies were getting bonuses after being bailed out by the government. I think the sentiment in the U.S. and the world was if your company nearly collapsed you should not get a bonus. In addition, people who were lynched actually died; none of the people on Wall Street died as a result of the outrage over their bonuses.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to large salaries irregardless of their performance. The capitalism god demands it.
His class doesnt want to kill us, they just dont care if we die. It would just be collateral damage of capitalism.
packman
(16,296 posts)What a mind-set these people have to equate the horror of the deepest depths of human injustice to the milk-toast bonus uproar(and that is stretching it). Makes me shutter about the monsters who worship themselves and the dollar who control so much of our economy. Then again, the 1% are a minority and they must (SARCASM) feel something toward other minorities.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)The nerve. The absolute nerve.
It does give you an idea of how these people think though. We are less than the dog shit their valets scrape off their shoes.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)How else can one explain his support of those lavish bonuses. Certainly not "because employees were used to a certain way of living". Well, why shouldn't they be expected to tighten their belts the same as everybody else (except for the 1% that never have to tighten their belts). Benmosche needs to show a little humility so I would like to suggest that the take the food stamp challenge and live for a week of $4.50 a day for food. That is the real world for far too many Americans. And Republicans just voted to cut that amount down. The 1% certainly need an attitude adjustment if Benmosche is a typical 1%'er as I suspect he is.
lark
(23,155 posts)Oh, my heart just breaks, sob, they were used to certain lifestyles" What a heartless and stupidly ignorant SOB. What about all the people who lost their jobs because his company was the leading force in devaluing the american economy? What about the average worker making less money than they did in 1977? What about all the foreclosures, divorces, suicides, illnesses and probably deaths they caused? Oh, this is just beyond the pale. I'm supposed to feel sorry for some poor little millionaire? A lot of them should be in jail and I'm angry as hell for our government bailing them out with my and all the other working class folks' money. He can just stifle himself.
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)and jail his family until he refunds taxpayer money he took as a reward for failure.
Fraud by any other name...............
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)Those executives suffered so much. They nearly ran their corporations into financial ruin, and nearly wrecked the economy of the whole world. That had to make them feel bad. On top of all that, a bunch of insensitive people who clearly don't understand high finance (because they're poor) tried to make these executives feel like they didn't deserve their multi-million dollar bonuses. Bad poor people. Bad.
Clearly we ought to do something to help them feel better. Hey, maybe we could give them some MORE money. I bet they'd like that.
Agony
(2,605 posts)Benmoshe is a serial sociopathic asshole
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/22/robert-benmosche-too-big-to-fail_n_3972297.html
I believe 'too big to fail' has been solved, Benmosche told the Wall Street Journal in a wide-ranging interview published Friday. He said that's because regulators and the financial firms themselves have put controls in place to prevent bankers and traders from taking the same types of risks they took in the lead-up to the financial crisis.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/Business-Buzz/2012/02/28/The-Infuriating-Inexcusable-AIG-Tax-Deal
American International Group, the infamous insurance company that got $85 billion in government bailout money in 2008 and promptly spent $440,000 on a corporate retreat, is going to make your blood boil again. After receiving a second, equally generous loan in 2009, AIG management had the unmitigated gall to announce that the same executives who insured toxic assets like mortgage-backed securities would get $165 million in "retention bonuses." - See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/Business-Buzz/2012/02/28/The-Infuriating-Inexcusable-AIG-Tax-Deal#sthash.JMRFHqT5.dpuf
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/09/why-is-aig-being-permitted-to-retrade-its-deal-with-taxpayers-yet-again.html
But AIG was able to slip the leash. Its cheery assurances that it could divest divisions proved hollow. It came back to Uncle Sam and managed to get both more money and a reduction in interest rate. In deal land, this is called a free concession and is a sign of chumpdom (the Treasury press releases tried to imply that the government got more, but when you already have a senior lien on all the assets, theres nothing more to get, save maybe throwing out the board, which would have been a good gesture). The argument was that the interest payments would damage AIG, but all that suggested was that the interest payments be deferred, not reduced. Oh, and in case you werent paying attention, the financial deal was retraded not once, but three times.
Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/09/why-is-aig-being-permitted-to-retrade-its-deal-with-taxpayers-yet-again.html#dK9YiRVDxmHrAc1U.99
Cheers anyway...
Agony
dougolat
(716 posts)If ever there was a just case for lynching, this guy would have been mobbed to death already.
Well, woopsie, a little of the primitive animal instinct still inside me boiled over.
But these morally bankrupt that cause so much needless misery and waste should be punished severely enough that it becomes a teaching moment for them all and they voluntarily imprison themselves rather than suffer vigilante justice.
yeah, kinda ugly. making point is all.
-90% Jimmy
allan01
(1,950 posts)first off we bail aigs sorry ass out of debt , then the assholes have the unmetigated gall to turn around and sue the us because the assholes wanted more .shoulda not have bailed the sops out . next time , there wont be any next time , u greedy sons of a bitch.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and a couple tens of thousands of others would disagree with this guy.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Because of the prospect that he might have to curb some tiny fraction of that privilege.
If this man were on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out. Maybe if my kidneys produced kerosene...
Rex
(65,616 posts)I am the richest and therefore I am the most privileged.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It gets worse:
Bad DU, bad!
Y'all are just plain mean!
Please, stop abusing these poor guys.
BTW, will rich white guys ever stop trying to get a free ride off of blacks and the civil rights movement?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)own asses if their valet was out sick.
longship
(40,416 posts)Guess who he worked for?
Yup! That's right. AIG! They sold credit default swaps (CDS), an insurance on the mortgage bonds that paid off if the bond defaulted. The Wall Street Banks then repackaged the CDS's into new mortgage bonds since the CDS effectively duplicated the risk of the original mortgages. They did this because they made huge amounts of commission and bonusses on bond sales and the mortgage originators couldnt supply enough product. Cassano, the head of AIG FP, sold so many credit default swaps to the Wall Street banks that when housing prices collapsed and the mortgages began going into default when their teaser rates expired, a huge number of the credit default swaps came due, all at once. If AIG can't honor those insurance payments the Wall Street Banks book losses on the bonds based on those CDS's at the same time. The whole world economy collapses within days. We were that close to the edge of a very real cliff in Sept-Oct 2008.
And here is the douche bag himself:
How this guy isn't in prison for life is beyond me. (Along with Fuld, Dimon, Blankfein, Mack, Lewis, Pandit, and the rest of the thugs.)
chervilant
(8,267 posts)receding hairline... Clearly, this guy needs all the 'help' he can get!
rpannier
(24,337 posts)He might find out just how bad those lynchings were from the limb itself
raccoon
(31,119 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)radicalliberal
(907 posts)How can anyone be so stupid as to make a statement like that?
As far as stupid statements go, you'll think you've heard it all; but someone in the news will eventually let you know otherwise.
applegrove
(118,770 posts)The selfishness of that ***hole.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)The public barely cleared their throat on exec compensation and it was definitely a legit concern especially after the bailout.
They know what many of us don't: if we get our shit together and get organized, they can't bribe enough politicians or hire enough thugs to keep us from removing them from the levers of power.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Essentially, they've already hired their own thugs.
And those thugs have access to weapons that can inflict pain on a whole crowd at once.
Joe Bacon
(5,165 posts)Makes me want to blow dust off the guillotine!
cristianmarie533
(51 posts)These people only care about the bottom line, and could care less if we all end up eating dirt and drinking poisoned water. These assholes need to be taxed at a rate of least 90%.
alp227
(32,047 posts)gopiscrap
(23,764 posts)gopiscrap
(23,764 posts)BarbaRosa
(2,685 posts)The shootee apologizing to the shooter.