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muriel_volestrangler

(101,414 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:03 PM Aug 2013

Russia vows not to discriminate during Sochi Olympics

Source: CBC/AP

The Russian government assured the International Olympic Committee on Thursday it will not discriminate against homosexuals during the Sochi Olympics, while defending the law against gay "propaganda" that has provoked an international backlash.

The IOC received a letter from Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Kozak giving reassurances the host country will comply fully with the Olympic Charter's provision against discrimination of any kind.

"The Russian federation guarantees the fulfillment of its obligations before the International Olympic Committee in its entirety," Kozak said.
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The letter still leaves open the question of what would happen to Olympic athletes or fans if they make statements or gestures that could be considered propaganda.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/story/2013/08/22/sp-ioc-olympics-russia-anti-gay-law.html

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Russia vows not to discriminate during Sochi Olympics (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 OP
With the amount of hatred there now Stargazer09 Aug 2013 #1
Yeah, I'm a little concerned about that word 'propaganda'. Wait Wut Aug 2013 #2
Yeah, they really need to make clear that normal public life must be allowed muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #5
We've been warned that wearing a rainbow pin will get tourists arrested, Bette Noir Aug 2013 #15
Prior to the 38 Olympics, the head of the comittee a Mr Brundage said that there was no anti Jewish Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #3
I read a story about that a while back. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #6
I don't believe that Putin would even make such minor gestures. branford Aug 2013 #17
1936 Olympics davidpdx Aug 2013 #22
Oh, well I suppose that makes everything okay then, doesn't it? LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #4
For all of their official protests, it seems their own citizens are clear on the law's purpose BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #7
Anyone that believes that crock of shit dbackjon Aug 2013 #8
Save us Edward Snowden! Renew Deal Aug 2013 #9
I'm so sick of this bullshit from folks who got their rights by getting born. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #10
He is a civil rights crusader. Renew Deal Aug 2013 #12
Snowden is a civil rights crusader? The man to fled to China and sough asylum in Russia? branford Aug 2013 #18
The poster is writing ironically. joshcryer Aug 2013 #23
Oops, my bad. It's just that some actually believe Snowden walks on water. branford Aug 2013 #25
So they will only beat, detain and arrest their local homosexuals? DonRedwood Aug 2013 #11
Exactly, and somehow that makes it all better FreeState Aug 2013 #20
I can't forget the sight of the gay pride people on the bus being chased after in the streets. freshwest Aug 2013 #13
They're getting nervous at the Kremlin... KinMd Aug 2013 #14
Does anyone here know a group planning non-violent protest during the Sochi games? Bette Noir Aug 2013 #16
I don't think Russia really cares about the spectators and passive protest. branford Aug 2013 #19
Gayrussia.ru is the nexus of Russian gay activism. joshcryer Aug 2013 #27
The Brooklyn Bridge is for sale?! Behind the Aegis Aug 2013 #21
Anyone who trusts Russia needs to have their head examined davidpdx Aug 2013 #24
The IOC has already said they'd punish activists. joshcryer Aug 2013 #26
I've said before, Russia's treatment of Olympic athletes and guests is wholly beside the point... markpkessinger Aug 2013 #28

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
2. Yeah, I'm a little concerned about that word 'propaganda'.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:10 PM
Aug 2013

Is holding hands 'propganda'? A hug? Any innocent act of affection could be twisted into 'propaganda' in the eyes of a bigot.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,414 posts)
5. Yeah, they really need to make clear that normal public life must be allowed
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:15 PM
Aug 2013

ie holding hands, hugging, kissing.

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
15. We've been warned that wearing a rainbow pin will get tourists arrested,
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:25 PM
Aug 2013

held in jail for two weeks, and deported.

Athletes have been warned that wearing a flag pin will be enough to get them "sanctioned," although the sanctions in question haven't been defined--forfeit medals?-- by the IOC.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Prior to the 38 Olympics, the head of the comittee a Mr Brundage said that there was no anti Jewish
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

discrimination in Germany at all and he said those making such claims were part of an anti
German conspiracy between Jews and the press.
Would you say the announced 'lack of discrimination against Jews' in that case was believable? To me this Russian/IOC love fest is as valid as Brundage's assessments.

LuvNewcastle

(16,867 posts)
6. I read a story about that a while back.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:20 PM
Aug 2013

Before the Olympics came to Berlin, he had his people go all over the city pulling down posters, leaflets, and picking up all the other anti-semitic propaganda. There was quite a lot of it, from what I read. I wonder what measures Putin is taking to make Sochi look worldly and sophisticated.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
17. I don't believe that Putin would even make such minor gestures.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
Aug 2013

The Olympics are not going to be moved from Sochi, and Olympic rules concerning "propaganda" and similar activities are sufficiently broad and vague enough to co-exist with Russia's laws, no matter how vile.

Also, do not forget that many of the countries at the Olympics, and their IOC representatives, agree with Russia and Putin.

LuvNewcastle

(16,867 posts)
4. Oh, well I suppose that makes everything okay then, doesn't it?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

As long as no gay Olympians are being beaten and thrown in jail, I guess we can all just forget about the whole thing.

BeyondGeography

(39,395 posts)
7. For all of their official protests, it seems their own citizens are clear on the law's purpose
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:20 PM
Aug 2013

and are drinking the kool-aid. From the article

The issue attracted attention at the world athletics championships in Moscow last week when Swedish high jumper Emma Green Tregaro painted her fingernails in the colours of the rainbow to support gay rights.

The gesture prompted Russian pole vault star Yelena Isinbayeva to complain that Green Tregaro was disrespecting Russia.


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. I'm so sick of this bullshit from folks who got their rights by getting born.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:41 PM
Aug 2013

What's this got to do with Snowden? Nothing.

Renew Deal

(81,900 posts)
12. He is a civil rights crusader.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:44 PM
Aug 2013

And now that he's in Russia he can use his influence to change the laws. I wonder where he'd run to next.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
18. Snowden is a civil rights crusader? The man to fled to China and sough asylum in Russia?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

Yeah, he's no different from Martin Luther King, Susan B. Anthony and Rosa Parks.

You may have a great deal of admiration for Snowden, but if you believe that he's going to intentionally and publicly poke his Russian benefactors in the eye during the Olympics in support of gay athletes, you are insane.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. I can't forget the sight of the gay pride people on the bus being chased after in the streets.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:59 PM
Aug 2013

That's what happened the last time the public had the chance to 'vent their feelings' about gay rights. Then there were videos of beating gays or those suspected to be gay by mobs, who lived there and were unable to get whisked away.

Are they going to require police protection to and from the events?

Will they require body guards to go out in public and do things that other athletes normally will?

Are they going to be kept at the Olympic housing and treated as 'separate but equal' there?

We can't change their law but the idea of the games as a way for nations to meet in peace and with respect and for the athletes to enjoy their time there, seems to be sadly missing from this particular venue for holding the 2013 games.



Maybe Washington, D.C. would be a good venue for the 2014 games, but it may not have enough room. I loved the 1984 games in Los Angeles, which Russia boycotted. It is not new, but it just seems that nothing is boycotted anymore:

The 1984 Summer Olympics, officially known as the Games of the XXIII Olympiad, was an international multi-sport event held in Los Angeles, California, United States in 1984. When Tehran, the only other interested city on the international level, declined to bid due to the concurrent Iranian political and social changes the IOC awarded Los Angeles the Games by default. This was the second occasion Los Angeles hosted the games; it previously hosted in 1932.

In response to the American-led boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, 14 Eastern Bloc countries including the Soviet Union, Cuba and East Germany (but not Romania) boycotted the Games. For differing reasons, Iran and Libya also boycotted. The USSR announced its intention not to participate on May 8, 1984, citing security concerns and "chauvinistic sentiments and an anti-Soviet hysteria being whipped up in the United States."[2] Despite the boycott, the Los Angeles Olympic Games attracted a then-record 140 participating nations, and 60 more than those attending the Moscow games four years earlier, which had experienced a far wider international boycott. However, the Los Angeles boycott influenced a large number of events that were normally dominated by the absent countries. Boycotting countries organized another large event in June–September 1984, called the Friendship Games; however, not even a single competition was held between July 28 and August 12. Representatives of the organizing countries, in particular the USSR, underlined it was "not held to replace the Olympics". Elite athletes from the U.S. and USSR would only compete against each other at the 1986 Goodwill Games in Moscow, organized in response to the boycotts.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_1984_Olympics

http://www.olympic.org/los-angeles-1984-summer-olympics

On of the high points was when Lionel Richie sang, All Night Long:



If we can't get a bid to hold 2014 in D.C., let's see about L.A. Our joy and inclusiveness will ring around the world. JMHO.

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
16. Does anyone here know a group planning non-violent protest during the Sochi games?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:29 PM
Aug 2013

I want to organize knitters to make rainbow scarves for visitors to the Olympics. Since wearing them might get people arrested, I'd have to know that there are dedicated volunteers willing to wear them. It could be an effective propaganda piece, if there are hundreds or thousands of rainbow scarves in crowd shots.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
19. I don't think Russia really cares about the spectators and passive protest.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:48 PM
Aug 2013

Such protesters can be easily ignored by the authorities, although I would not want to tempt the violent thugs among the public that agree with the Russian laws. Sochi is definitely not New York or LA.

Large, organized protests or acts of defiance from athletes, gay or straight, is the focus of concern. Even with government assurances with far more certainty that those currently provided by Russia, I would not trust Putin.

I hope the Olympics do not get ugly, and I wish all our athletes the best of luck!

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
27. Gayrussia.ru is the nexus of Russian gay activism.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:16 AM
Aug 2013

Should start there: http://www.gayrussia.ru

Another is LGBT Russia: http://www.lgbtnet.ru/en/

It is too early to announce plans of a protest but there will almost certainly be one, and it will be ugly, sadly.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
24. Anyone who trusts Russia needs to have their head examined
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:09 AM
Aug 2013

Sochi should have never been awarded the games in the first place. The passing of the anti-gay laws just affirms that the IOC screwed up.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
26. The IOC has already said they'd punish activists.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:11 AM
Aug 2013

The Russian government doesn't have to worry too much about any large scale protests from foreign Olympians. And if they do protest, the Russian government has many ways to silence them other than arrest. Just send in some United Russia thugs to intimidate.

markpkessinger

(8,409 posts)
28. I've said before, Russia's treatment of Olympic athletes and guests is wholly beside the point...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:53 PM
Aug 2013

. . . This is fundamentally about the human rights of LGBT persons living within Russia's jurisdiction. The IOC should be taking a moral stand against Russia's treatment of its own LGBT citizens; the treatment of Olympic athletes and guests is entirely a secondary issue.

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