Russia vows not to discriminate during Sochi Olympics
Source: CBC/AP
The Russian government assured the International Olympic Committee on Thursday it will not discriminate against homosexuals during the Sochi Olympics, while defending the law against gay "propaganda" that has provoked an international backlash.
The IOC received a letter from Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Kozak giving reassurances the host country will comply fully with the Olympic Charter's provision against discrimination of any kind.
"The Russian federation guarantees the fulfillment of its obligations before the International Olympic Committee in its entirety," Kozak said.
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The letter still leaves open the question of what would happen to Olympic athletes or fans if they make statements or gestures that could be considered propaganda.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/story/2013/08/22/sp-ioc-olympics-russia-anti-gay-law.html
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)I just don't see how they can keep that promise.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Is holding hands 'propganda'? A hug? Any innocent act of affection could be twisted into 'propaganda' in the eyes of a bigot.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,414 posts)ie holding hands, hugging, kissing.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)held in jail for two weeks, and deported.
Athletes have been warned that wearing a flag pin will be enough to get them "sanctioned," although the sanctions in question haven't been defined--forfeit medals?-- by the IOC.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)discrimination in Germany at all and he said those making such claims were part of an anti
German conspiracy between Jews and the press.
Would you say the announced 'lack of discrimination against Jews' in that case was believable? To me this Russian/IOC love fest is as valid as Brundage's assessments.
LuvNewcastle
(16,867 posts)Before the Olympics came to Berlin, he had his people go all over the city pulling down posters, leaflets, and picking up all the other anti-semitic propaganda. There was quite a lot of it, from what I read. I wonder what measures Putin is taking to make Sochi look worldly and sophisticated.
branford
(4,462 posts)The Olympics are not going to be moved from Sochi, and Olympic rules concerning "propaganda" and similar activities are sufficiently broad and vague enough to co-exist with Russia's laws, no matter how vile.
Also, do not forget that many of the countries at the Olympics, and their IOC representatives, agree with Russia and Putin.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,867 posts)As long as no gay Olympians are being beaten and thrown in jail, I guess we can all just forget about the whole thing.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)and are drinking the kool-aid. From the article
The gesture prompted Russian pole vault star Yelena Isinbayeva to complain that Green Tregaro was disrespecting Russia.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)I have a bridge to sell ya
Renew Deal
(81,900 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)What's this got to do with Snowden? Nothing.
Renew Deal
(81,900 posts)And now that he's in Russia he can use his influence to change the laws. I wonder where he'd run to next.
branford
(4,462 posts)Yeah, he's no different from Martin Luther King, Susan B. Anthony and Rosa Parks.
You may have a great deal of admiration for Snowden, but if you believe that he's going to intentionally and publicly poke his Russian benefactors in the eye during the Olympics in support of gay athletes, you are insane.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Completely tongue in cheek.
branford
(4,462 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)FreeState
(10,588 posts)not.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)That's what happened the last time the public had the chance to 'vent their feelings' about gay rights. Then there were videos of beating gays or those suspected to be gay by mobs, who lived there and were unable to get whisked away.
Are they going to require police protection to and from the events?
Will they require body guards to go out in public and do things that other athletes normally will?
Are they going to be kept at the Olympic housing and treated as 'separate but equal' there?
We can't change their law but the idea of the games as a way for nations to meet in peace and with respect and for the athletes to enjoy their time there, seems to be sadly missing from this particular venue for holding the 2013 games.
Maybe Washington, D.C. would be a good venue for the 2014 games, but it may not have enough room. I loved the 1984 games in Los Angeles, which Russia boycotted. It is not new, but it just seems that nothing is boycotted anymore:
The 1984 Summer Olympics, officially known as the Games of the XXIII Olympiad, was an international multi-sport event held in Los Angeles, California, United States in 1984. When Tehran, the only other interested city on the international level, declined to bid due to the concurrent Iranian political and social changes the IOC awarded Los Angeles the Games by default. This was the second occasion Los Angeles hosted the games; it previously hosted in 1932.
In response to the American-led boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, 14 Eastern Bloc countries including the Soviet Union, Cuba and East Germany (but not Romania) boycotted the Games. For differing reasons, Iran and Libya also boycotted. The USSR announced its intention not to participate on May 8, 1984, citing security concerns and "chauvinistic sentiments and an anti-Soviet hysteria being whipped up in the United States."[2] Despite the boycott, the Los Angeles Olympic Games attracted a then-record 140 participating nations, and 60 more than those attending the Moscow games four years earlier, which had experienced a far wider international boycott. However, the Los Angeles boycott influenced a large number of events that were normally dominated by the absent countries. Boycotting countries organized another large event in JuneSeptember 1984, called the Friendship Games; however, not even a single competition was held between July 28 and August 12. Representatives of the organizing countries, in particular the USSR, underlined it was "not held to replace the Olympics". Elite athletes from the U.S. and USSR would only compete against each other at the 1986 Goodwill Games in Moscow, organized in response to the boycotts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_1984_Olympics
http://www.olympic.org/los-angeles-1984-summer-olympics
On of the high points was when Lionel Richie sang, All Night Long:
If we can't get a bid to hold 2014 in D.C., let's see about L.A. Our joy and inclusiveness will ring around the world. JMHO.
KinMd
(966 posts)it's like when you planned this BIG party and no one shows up.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)I want to organize knitters to make rainbow scarves for visitors to the Olympics. Since wearing them might get people arrested, I'd have to know that there are dedicated volunteers willing to wear them. It could be an effective propaganda piece, if there are hundreds or thousands of rainbow scarves in crowd shots.
branford
(4,462 posts)Such protesters can be easily ignored by the authorities, although I would not want to tempt the violent thugs among the public that agree with the Russian laws. Sochi is definitely not New York or LA.
Large, organized protests or acts of defiance from athletes, gay or straight, is the focus of concern. Even with government assurances with far more certainty that those currently provided by Russia, I would not trust Putin.
I hope the Olympics do not get ugly, and I wish all our athletes the best of luck!
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Should start there: http://www.gayrussia.ru
Another is LGBT Russia: http://www.lgbtnet.ru/en/
It is too early to announce plans of a protest but there will almost certainly be one, and it will be ugly, sadly.
Behind the Aegis
(54,060 posts)BUY! BUY! BUY!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Sochi should have never been awarded the games in the first place. The passing of the anti-gay laws just affirms that the IOC screwed up.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)The Russian government doesn't have to worry too much about any large scale protests from foreign Olympians. And if they do protest, the Russian government has many ways to silence them other than arrest. Just send in some United Russia thugs to intimidate.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . This is fundamentally about the human rights of LGBT persons living within Russia's jurisdiction. The IOC should be taking a moral stand against Russia's treatment of its own LGBT citizens; the treatment of Olympic athletes and guests is entirely a secondary issue.