Jesse Jackson: Post-Trayvon Martin environment in Florida is 'toxic'

[alp227]

Source: Orlando Sentinel

Civil-rights leader Jesse Jackson dropped in on the Trayvon Martin-inspired protesters occupying the Florida Capitol Tuesday, labeling Florida's political environment "toxic" and likening Gov. Rick Scott to the late segregationist George Wallace.

Jackson planned to spend the night with the protesters who are in the midst of their third week of sitting in Scott's office, demanding that he call a special session to repeal Florida's 'Stand Your Ground" law. Though initially cited by supporters of Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman, the law wasn't an element in the trial earlier this month that saw Zimmerman acquitted of shooting and killing Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, in a Sanford gated community.

Jackson said the controversial law was part of a broader discriminatory system against minorities, including voter-disenfranchisement.

"Stand your ground laws must end," Jackson told reporters. "The manipulation of African-Americans here is disgraceful."

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/blogs/political-pulse/os-jackson-posttrayvon-martin-environment-in-florida-is-toxic-20130730,0,1020184.post

[nashville_brook]

1. Jesse Jackson is 100% right.

[Orsino]

16. Except maybe that the pre-Trayvon environment was just as toxic. n/t

[nashville_brook]

22. hence the travon martin incident.

[Lobo27]

2. This law is nothing but a license to kill...

Oh your attacking me, and I fight back. Then you shoot me in self defense? GTFO here with that shit.

[eqfan592]

8. If only your scenario was even remotely similar to what actually happened....

....then you might have a valid point.

[B Stieg]

18. You're right.

Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. "likening Gov. Rick Scott to the late segregationist George Wallace"

That's actually an insult to Wallace.

I opposed most of what Wallace stood for, but if he asked me for $20 to tie him over until payday, I'd might have given it to him. With Scott, there's no way would I give that crook a dime for no matter what reason. I'd never see that money again.

[handmade34]

4. Orlando Sentinel article wrong...

"Jackson planned to spend the night with the protesters who are in the midst of their third week of sitting in Scott's office, demanding that he call a special session to repeal Florida's 'Stand Your Ground" law.

Though initially cited by supporters of Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman, the law wasn't an element in the trial earlier this month that saw Zimmerman acquitted of shooting and killing Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, in a Sanford gated community..."

Stand Your Ground had everything to do with the trial and the jurors deliberations and final verdict...

[freshwest]

17. handmade34, please post article on the march in that picture. This is the first I heard of it. TIA.

August 24th, 2013 is not that far away. It needs to be big enough to force media coverage. They haven't even covered this story that alp provided for us here, and it should be on the national news.

Thank goodness Jesse Jackson is in this one, he has right on his side, and has done the right thing for decades despite the smearing by RW media. They find anything they can to make him look bad, and he's apologized for them, but it's equality that they really hate. Any person that stands up for that is smeared by media.

And agreed, SYG was in the instructions given to the jurors, IIRC. EOM.

[handmade34]

19. hope to see lots of people there

http://nationalactionnetwork.net/mow/

http://laborfightback.org/march_on_washington.htm

http://ncbcp.org/news/releases/MOW_50th/

http://august24marchonwashington.dcrallybus.com

http://ocgnews.com/index.php/archives/1413-sclc-king-center-unite-to-plan-50th-anniversary-celebration-of-historic-march-on-washington


http://www.answercoalition.org/national/news/50th-anniversary-of-the-march-on-washington.html

http://www.uft.org/events/realize-dream-50th-anniversary-march-washington

http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/2012-09-king-center-national-park-service-partner-global-commemoration-50th-anniversary-mlks-i

[freshwest]

20. Thanks! Can you make an OP of that, V & MM or Politics 2013? Not sure where.

Will put this in my Journal to keep track of these links.

[Cha]

5. thanks alp

[bossy22]

6. zimmerman would have gotten off even if syg didng exist

Once the ballistic expert testified there was strong evidence to support the theory that martins was in top of Zimmerman when he was shot. If this is the case there is no possible way that Zimmerman could retreat.

[eqfan592]

9. Lets also not forget the 911 call...

...that clearly shows Zimmerman stopped following Martin a mere 400 ft from Martins place of residence, and went on to have a conversation with the 911 operator for a further 2 minutes AFTER he gave up his pursuit.

The media portrayal of this case has been criminal in its misrepresentation of the facts. Most people are convinced that Zimmerman clearly chased down and confronted Martin, yet the evidence simply doesn't support that scenario, and in fact strongly supports a scenario where Martin goes well out of his way to confront Zimmerman well after Zimmerman had himself given up the chase.

[DallasNE]

11. Here Is The Timeline From Wikipedia And It Does Not Support What You Claim

7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running.

7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK."

7:12:00 – 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.[14]

7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know Martin's location.

7:13:41 — The end of Zimmerman's call to Sanford police.[14]

7:16:00 – 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.[14][15]

7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[16]

7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.[17]

7:17 — The first officer on the scene, Officer T. Smith arrives by squad car at Retreat View.[18]

What was Zimmerman doing for the 2 1/2 minutes from 7:13:41 and 7:16:11? If Zimmerman had given up the chase he would have been at his truck waiting for the police as it was only 30 yards away. But he wasn't. He was still in roughly the same place lurking the whole while. Was he simply waiting Martin out, expecting him to come out of hiding so he could apprehend him? Nobody has ever explained that 2 1/2 minutes. Where in this time line has Martin done anything to confront Zimmerman? And where does it support your contention that Zimmerman had given up the chase. Martin took off running at 7:11:33 and emerged from hiding at roughly 7:16:03. That is 4 1/2 minutes. Outwardly it looks like Martin thought the coast was clear and decided to come out of hiding only to have Zimmerman spot him and the heated exchange started. Keep your response in context with the timeline above and focused on the 2 1/2 unexplained minutes.

[appacom]

14. The clearest description of events yet. Thanks much.

[John2]

15. I think you can get a better

picture if you listen to exactly how the conversation went with Zimmerman and the 911 responder. I think it was a give away. I think what was said,Zimmerman was already a distance away from his vehicle when he got out and ran after Martin. He claimed Martin disappeared when he already had left his vehicle and had to give directions to the 911 taker.

Apparently his vehicle was near the entrance and near some mail boxes. Zimmerman claimed Martin was at the other end of the street when he cut through some houses or something. Zimmerman claimed that he didn't know the address of the apartment or street that he was at and he gave the operator the directions and location where his vehicle was located.

The operator also asked him if he lived in the area. Zimmerman gave an affirmative and the operator asked him if he wanted to meet the police at his house. Zimmerman gave another affirmative and began to give out his address but stopped. His excuse was that he thought Trayvon was still close by and might overhear the address. That suggested to me Zimmerman didn't stop following Trayvon. he told the operator to tell them to call him back when they get in the area, so they would know where to find him.

It suggests to me Trayvon thought he might had lost Zimmerman and stopped running as soon as he did, only to see Zimmerman again, while speaking on his cell phone.

That is what makes Jeantel's testimony so important but she is inconsistent. She says one thing on the stand under oath, and then gives interviews, bragging about the masculinity of Trayvon whipping Zimmerman's ass. That only plays right into the defense's version. She needed to tell the truth and stick to it, instead of jumping all over the place. She made a claim that Trayvon circling back to beat Zimmerman's ass was a Black thing. That was ridiculous and only stereotypes Black males as violent. Why would trayvon circle back to kick someone's ass when he tried to lose him in the first place by running?

If that is her story now, then she committed purgery on the stand, because she didn't claim that in the Trial. I don't know why the prosecution never called any of Trayvon's other friends to testify to his character, because he doesn't seem like a person that was violent at all. I'm talking about his coaches, teachers and the school kids that he volunteered to help at school social events. I would include his teammates, because they put this kid's character on trial.

The things on his social media accounts with face book or twitter, can't be proven or have no evidence, those events ever happened in real life. He had no criminal record of violence or even school records of fighting. Kids of his generation try to present a tough guy immage all the time, because they find it glamorous and it impresses their peers. I bet Jeantel probably don't even know if Martin ever beat up anybody.

[FarPoint]

12. Delusional denial.

You are the prize winner of a new car too.

[ConcernedCanuk]

21. I think you and bossy22 are among the few that get it.

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I do not support the USA's allowance to carry handguns - but nevertheless,

I've followed this case in the media, as well as on DU.

Anyone that quotes Wiki as gospel does not understand GIGO

I've read extensively on different media, many of my links found here on DU - and googled for others.

Not every injury/death of a black person by a non-black is unjustified.

From what I've read, Zimmerman was fearful for his safety, and considering the laws (which I also disagree with - but the courts must deal with the laws as they stand in that state) what Zimmerman did was legal; maybe not necessary, but LEGAL!

That's sort of sad that, but that's the environment in most of the USA.

Something else most of the gang on DU seem to overlook

THE JURY ACQUITTED HIM!

Not a long drawn out trial like OJ and others, -

cut and dried.

CC

On edit:

Guess I won a new car too!



CC

[DallasNE]

10. Not What He Said

He said that Martin's hoodie was 2-4 inches from his body and that would be consistent with Martin being on top and leaning over. The prosecution fumbled the cross examination by not asking that if Zimmerman had grabbed Martin's hoodie with his left hand while shooting him with his right hand that they could have both been standing or even Zimmerman on top meaning there was no way of knowing who, if anyone, was on top at the time the shot was fired. We know from the picture in the 711 that the drawstring on Martin's hood was even on both sides but in the picture of him laying on the ground after being shot the drawstring was pulled all of the way to one side so Zimmerman grabbed his hoodie but we don't know exactly when.

[Igel]

13. "Could have been" =/= "was"

TM doesn't get reasonable doubt. He wasn't being tried. He couldn't have been found guilty or not guilty.

If you pull clothing to hold somebody what do they do? Stand there? Do you think TM was really that stupid? No, you pull back.

So GZ pulled the hoodie all of 2-4 inches. Why? TM wasn't trying to get away, obviously, otherwise it would have been a greater distance. And if TM wasn't trying to get away and you're wrestling from the front (or back), do you pull the front of the shirt/hoodie towards you?

I can't get this to make sense. Good. Di Maio. We can atomize their testimony so that the incident had to take 4-5 minutes--now they're on the ground here, now they're over there, in between they do a tango and even stop for a cuppa. Or you put it all together into a single picture. It didn't take 4-5 minutes. That leaves putting into a coherent picture. Except that not everything fits. Human memory's really sucky, esp. when there's a lot of stress (just ask any poor kid in school). So you figure out what evidence is reliable *before* you worry about who the evidence is about.

Like it or not, all the defending of somebody who needs no defense is ... Odd.

[heaven05]

7. ya think?