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BumRushDaShow

(129,359 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:33 PM Apr 10

Report: Hamas doesn't have 40 living hostages for cease-fire deal

Source: Scripps News

Posted: 7:28 p.m. EDT Apr 10, 2024


Hamas has reportedly told negotiators during cease-fire talks in Egypt that it does not have 40 living hostages to meet Israel's criteria to exchange for Palestinian prisoners, according to CNN.

The militant group took roughly 250 people into the Gaza Strip as hostages, many of whom were women and children, during the Oct. 7 attack that sparked the war with Israel. In November, during the temporary cease-fire, about 120 of them were released.

However, CNN reports that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office confirmed on Wednesday that Hamas had 129 hostages, but unfortunately, 33 of them have died. There is new concern that if Hamas' claim about not having 40 living hostages is true, the death toll would be significantly higher.

On Tuesday, Egyptian officials said that the new cease-fire proposal includes a six-week halt in hostilities and the exchange of 40 hostages held by Hamas for a minimum of 700 Palestinians detained by Israel, The Associated Press reported. The proposal also states that Hamas must provide a list of the hostages and their conditions, but Hamas has argued that it can not gather this information while fighting is still ongoing.

Read more: https://scrippsnews.com/stories/report-hamas-doesn-t-have-40-living-hostages-for-cease-fire-deal/

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Vogon_Glory

(9,127 posts)
2. They probably know better
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:56 PM
Apr 10

I suspect that a lot of those bodies bear enough forensic evidence to prove true the atrocities that Hamas and its apologists inside and outside of the Middle East deny they’ve committed.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
13. Id suppose that is likely impossible
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 05:52 AM
Apr 11

Assuming that the Israeli civilians were being kept hostage by Hamas, and Hamas being the named target of the Israeli war effort, it seems likely that some portion of the hostages would have been killed along with their captors. It would make sense that this would be true in proportion to how effective the war has been in eliminating Hamas combatants.

And given that Gaza appears largely bombed back to the stone age.. I sincerely doubt that Hamas has a great organizational ability right now. I doubt they have the ability to reliably know where or when their own people are, dead or alive, let alone hostages. And when tunnels collapse, or big explosions happen on the regular, what remains to identify those who die?

Id strongly suppose that a significant portion of the remaining hostages will never be recovered, with no closure or peace for the families possible. I believe I can imagine how that feels, at least at the edges, and I wish i had a way to help.

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
14. Then they can name the last known group who had them and where.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:15 AM
Apr 11

Give the Israelis a better chance to find their bodies.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,487 posts)
3. Hamas either killed these hostages or were responsible for the deaths of the hostages
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:00 PM
Apr 10

The hostages were Hamas' main bargaining chip and it seems that Hamas has less to use to bargain with

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
4. This isn't surprising. Hamas were probably keeping the hostages
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:03 PM
Apr 10

in places that had Hamas -- including in hospitals or schools which the IDF attacked.

I wouldn't have been surprised to hear that they'd all been killed by now.

CincyDem

(6,385 posts)
5. I want to be really careful here to not put words in your mouth...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:17 PM
Apr 10

...after multiple reads, it feels like you're suggesting that we went from about 130 hostages (after the last hostage release deal) down to less than 40 and it's Israel's fault ?

While I don't disagree with you that most, if not all remaining hostages are dead, is that what you're saying here ?

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
7. I didn't say that it was Israel's "fault." I said the hostages were probably
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:34 PM
Apr 10

held among Hamas, so when Hamas were killed, they were, too. Look at all the large buildings that were bombed to bits -- schools, hospitals, apartments. Couldn't hostages have been held in some of them?

Where do you think they were held, that would have been safe?

CincyDem

(6,385 posts)
9. Got it. Wanted to be sure without jumping to any conclusions.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:26 PM
Apr 10

I agree with you that some number (majority? minority? We’ll never know) we’re likely killed as a result of being used as human shields.

I would add, imho, that some number were just killed killed by Hamas either intentionally or unintentionally by starvation and/or lack of medical care.

We be good from my side…hopefully we be good from yours.

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cstanleytech

(26,316 posts)
11. How about 40 of the high ups then of HAMAS turning themselves over to stand trial before an international Court?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:22 PM
Apr 10

That would be a sign of at least a smidgen of good faith from HAMAS.
Of course I'll probably hit the Powerball or Megamillions before HAMAS would do that but hey I can hope at least.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,747 posts)
12. Pro Hamas supporters won't care. Israel is to blame for everything. Hamas are innocent freedom fighters
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 04:54 AM
Apr 11

and those hostages. . .i mean enemy combatants, probably killed themselves to make Hamas look bad.

Damn Israelis ruin everything. . .and because most Israelis are Jews, damn them too.

maxsolomon

(33,378 posts)
17. Which is it?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 12:48 PM
Apr 11
Hamas has reportedly told negotiators during cease-fire talks in Egypt that it does not have 40 living hostages...


...Hamas has argued that it cannot gather this information while fighting is still ongoing.


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