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Omaha Steve

(99,698 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:46 PM Apr 10

Ukraine will be outgunned by Russia 10 to 1 in weeks without US help, top Europe general says

Source: AP

By TARA COPP
Updated 11:53 AM CDT, April 10, 2024

WASHINGTON (AP) — The top general for U.S. forces in Europe told Congress Wednesday that Ukraine will be outgunned 10 to one by Russia within a matter of weeks if Congress does not find a way to approve sending more ammunition and weapons to Kyiv soon.

The testimony from Army Gen. Christopher Cavoli, head of U.S. European Command, and Celeste Wallander, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, comes as Congress enters pivotal weeks for voting for aid for Ukraine, but there’s no guarantee funding will be improved in time.

Ukraine has been rationing its munitions as Congress has delayed passing its $60 billion supplemental bill.

“They are now being outshot by the Russian side five to one. So the Russians fire five times as many artillery shells at the Ukrainians than the Ukrainians are able to fire back. That will immediately go to 10 to one in a matter of weeks,” Cavoli said. “We’re not talking about months. We’re not talking hypothetically.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-ammunition-military-b263dfaceef57fb2c1f74c53861734da

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Ukraine will be outgunned by Russia 10 to 1 in weeks without US help, top Europe general says (Original Post) Omaha Steve Apr 10 OP
Post removed Post removed Apr 10 #1
NATO countries are helping maxsolomon Apr 10 #2
I would like to see them get everything they need. Omnipresent Apr 10 #5
Russia's pouring every artillery shell they can make into the front now. maxsolomon Apr 10 #7
Almost 450k In Casualties So Far... GB_RN Apr 10 #10
"Zerg-style"? maxsolomon Apr 10 #13
Ha! Sorry... GB_RN Apr 10 #14
In the Iran-Iraq War, it was called "Human Wave" attacks. maxsolomon Apr 10 #15
1980-88... GB_RN Apr 10 #18
Putin is in the process of blue-wave Apr 10 #17
Yup. GB_RN Apr 10 #19
I sincerely believe blue-wave Apr 10 #16
The Ukraine? BeyondGeography Apr 10 #3
This issue blue-wave Apr 11 #21
I really detest our House Russiapublicans. The entire Republican party is owned by Putin. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 10 #4
Johnson is going to Mar-el-Loco to meet with Trump. gab13by13 Apr 10 #6
Then a discharge petition is necessary. CanonRay Apr 10 #8
Ok. How many of us in the 1970s thought we'd ever see Republicans backing Russia? -misanthroptimist Apr 10 #9
Except For One Senator... GB_RN Apr 10 #12
All because of one fat putz in the US and his finger puppet Johnson Warpy Apr 10 #11
Nancy Pelosi on Chris Hayes....Sounding the Alarm NowsTheTime Apr 10 #20

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

maxsolomon

(33,382 posts)
2. NATO countries are helping
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:53 PM
Apr 10

but no one has as many weapons as the US.

Republicans are going to force Ukraine to cede territory, and Putin will be emboldened.

Omnipresent

(5,720 posts)
5. I would like to see them get everything they need.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:59 PM
Apr 10

So what your saying is, everyone else doesn’t come close to having the amount of weapons, Russia has.

maxsolomon

(33,382 posts)
7. Russia's pouring every artillery shell they can make into the front now.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:10 PM
Apr 10

Plus everything they can get from Iran and NK. They're treating their troops as cannon fodder - probably 200K dead now.

Even if/when the Repukes come around, Ukraine's facing long odds just to hold the lines where they are.

Republicans are horrible people.

GB_RN

(2,373 posts)
10. Almost 450k In Casualties So Far...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:35 PM
Apr 10

For Putin, as of 04/08. How that breaks down between KIA, MIA and wounded (permanently disabled/out of action), I don’t know. But I see the (near) daily updates and the orcs’ Zerg-style assaults cause them to have around 700-1000 new “personnel losses” per day.

GB_RN

(2,373 posts)
14. Ha! Sorry...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:46 PM
Apr 10

Early on, bloggers were using the term rather frequently. It’s a reference to the science fiction game, StarCraft* and the attack style of the alien species, the Zerg: Rush to attack, swarming and overrunning your opponent through the use of sheer, overwhelming numbers.

Another term that gets tossed around now is “meat waves”. Your mileage may vary. 😂

*StarCraft 2 is still available and has pretty good graphics for being almost 14 years old. The original game was released in 1998. You can still find it, but likely need an emulator to play it.

maxsolomon

(33,382 posts)
15. In the Iran-Iraq War, it was called "Human Wave" attacks.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 06:33 PM
Apr 10

Human life is devalued in many countries.

GB_RN

(2,373 posts)
18. 1980-88...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:29 PM
Apr 10

I was eight-ish when it got rolling. I remember it being kind of “background” news (read: noise in the news), until it ended. At that point, I was old enough to pay attention, but I think it had pretty much stalemated past the wave attacks by then.

In my observations, dictators don’t seem to value anyone’s life except their own. I include a certain, orange-tinted, peon-of-Putin in my generalization.

GB_RN

(2,373 posts)
19. Yup.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:37 PM
Apr 10

And they will go to Ukraine under/untrained, un/ill equipped and with little to no food. In short, no better than any of the other human minefield fodder.

And yet, Russian citizens will go on cheering Putin as he continues to burn Russia to the ground.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
3. The Ukraine?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:54 PM
Apr 10
https://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/

“Ukraine is a country,” says William Taylor, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009. “The Ukraine is the way the Russians referred to that part of the country during Soviet times … Now that it is a country, a nation, and a recognized state, it is just Ukraine. And it is incorrect to refer to the Ukraine, even though a lot of people do it.”

blue-wave

(4,361 posts)
21. This issue
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 12:39 AM
Apr 11

over using "the" before "Ukraine" goes back hundreds of years to the imperialist ambitions of Ukraine's neighbors. They, which includes Russia, wanted to subjugate and destroy Ukrainian culture. This was a way to denigrate and deny the existence of a Ukrainian nation.

Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada (parliament) passed a law that the country's legal name is one word, "Ukraine.". It was signed into law.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
6. Johnson is going to Mar-el-Loco to meet with Trump.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:01 PM
Apr 10

No way he brings a bill to the floor.

Magats are owned by Trump/Putin.

GB_RN

(2,373 posts)
12. Except For One Senator...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:46 PM
Apr 10

“Porn Perm” Rand Paul (Q-Too Stupid To Be An MD), I never thought I’d see it in my lifetime.

I single out Randy-boy because John McCain actually called out the little asshole for his shenanigans, stating that “…Paul (was) working for Putin” during debate over Montenegro joining NATO. Paul, the asshole he is, gummed up the works and prevented unanimous consent, walking out when McCain called Paul out.

Warpy

(111,328 posts)
11. All because of one fat putz in the US and his finger puppet Johnson
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:37 PM
Apr 10

Ukraine is gettin US help, as much as Biden can cadge from military overstocks and confiscated weapons in the Middle East, but it's not nearly enough.

Still, they have compensated with drones and have knocked out 9 Russian armored vehicles to every 1 the Russians get. Tjeu are mp jtransitioning away from drones made in China to ones being manufactured in Baltic countries.

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