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BumRushDaShow

(129,245 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:12 PM Apr 9

Biden says he is examining power to shut US border on his own

Source: Reuters

April 9, 2024 6:04 PM EDT Updated an hour ago


WASHINGTON, April 9 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden said in an interview broadcast on Tuesday that he and his administration are trying to determine whether he has the authority to act on his own to shut down the U.S.'s southern border with Mexico to migrants, should it be deemed necessary.

Biden told Univision in the interview that because bipartisan legislation that would have granted him the authority to shut the border was stalled by Republicans in Congress, he was being encouraged to try to do it alone.

"We're examining whether or not I have that power," Biden said, adding there was "no guarantee" he has the power without legislation.

Migration is a central issue in this year's presidential campaign. Former President Donald Trump, Biden's likely Republican opponent in the Nov. 5 election, has accused Biden of bungling border issues.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/biden-says-he-is-examining-power-shut-us-border-his-own-2024-04-09/



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Biden says he is examining power to shut US border on his own (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 9 OP
Call it national security concerns ripcord Apr 9 #1
Do it. honest.abe Apr 9 #2
If President Biden takes this step Marthe48 Apr 9 #3
maybe but FormerOstrich Apr 9 #5
Who in Arizona do you think supports today's open border situation? brooklynite Apr 9 #6
I live in Ohio Marthe48 Apr 9 #7
The millions of people who benefit from the cross-border trade? (2 billion $ a day est.) bhikkhu Apr 9 #8
Not wrong.....I think you nailed it. FormerOstrich Apr 9 #9
How so? Polybius Apr 9 #10
Radical Left FormerOstrich Apr 10 #11
He already did.... FormerOstrich Apr 9 #4

Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
3. If President Biden takes this step
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:25 PM
Apr 9

maybe the rwnj will understand that he, we, are done with their stupid, attention-seeking, games.

Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
7. I live in Ohio
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:51 PM
Apr 9

I think that there are migrants, immigrants or refugees working locally for constructions companies, restaurants, maybe other businesses. Any time I have a personal interaction with the people, they are very nice, and I don't feel any fear.

I listen to old radio shows, from the 40s and 50s, which depict a border that was more open. I remember tv shows where people from other countries were accepted a lot more quickly. I've read a few novels, too, where the relationships between Americans and foreign nationals was friendlier.

Going further back, it seems that many people living on both sides of the Rio Grande traveled back and forth across the river, and it wasn't a big deal.

I don't live in any of the states that are on the border, and I probably shouldn't weigh in. But I think that there should be a better distinction about the people coming across the border: are they migrants seeking work? Are they immigrants hoping to stay in the U.S. and become citizens? Are they fleeing from violence or abject poverty in their country? If migrants work here and have ties in their own country, if they do work that Americans won't do, if there are so many rules and regulations in place, why are they such a threat? Why can't they just come and go as they were used to doing? If they are immigrants, I can't help thinking that they've made plans to make this life-changing move and are working with government entities to obtain the necessary permits and follow the path to citizenships. If they are refugees, all of the countries who are facing the refugee crisis have to find a moral way to manage people fleeing anything from gangs to floods. Climate change is going to force people away from regions that were home to them, either because of extreme temperatures or ocean levels rising. We aren't a herd of deer, and as humans we should be planning for population shifts so it stops being a crisis.

By all means, ICE and Border Patrol should do their level best to stop criminals from going back and forth. So many of the people trying to get into the U.S. aren't crooks, and it is a shame that protecting the border has become such an accepted rallying cry, mainly, I bet from racists, who like to bully others whether it's in an alley or public office. It is okay to exploit the people who cross the border, but it is not okay to treat them like humans.

There isn't going to be an easy solution that will ever be the best for everyone. Treating the situation like it is a political game is ignoring the humanity of the people trying to cross the border. If president Biden makes the decision to command the border, maybe that step will force the rwnj to pass a border bill and make them realize that they are once again making inaction the point.


bhikkhu

(10,720 posts)
8. The millions of people who benefit from the cross-border trade? (2 billion $ a day est.)
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 09:22 PM
Apr 9

You can't close the border to people without closing the border to commerce, and closing it to commerce devastates the economies of numerous cities.

It's worth adding, closing the border only closes the legal entry points, which are primarily used by people travelling legally. Someone might correct me if I'm wrong.

FormerOstrich

(2,703 posts)
9. Not wrong.....I think you nailed it.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 10:49 PM
Apr 9

As did Marthe48.

I was in Mexico and returned to the US the day before they closed Lukeville. I hadn't known they were even contemplating. I am glad I did return as my options would have not been good otherwise.

Don't get me wrong. My support for Biden is unwavering when he closed the border. Or, if he closes the border or not. However, there was a lot of people harmed by the border when it was closed. At the time I was afraid it was going to erode support in AZ. Not all are as in tune as we are. Every day the border were closed there were more and more stories of problems and the cost of it was mounting.

Trump's travel bands were awful. We hated it. Had he closed the border completely there would we would have been raising a stink.

I don't know the answer and will support Biden either way. Regardless, I find it curious that it seemed then and even now like that didn't happen.

Polybius

(15,462 posts)
10. How so?
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 11:51 PM
Apr 9

Only the extreme, radical Left would be against this, and they aren't voting for him anyway. Their person is Jill Sein or Cornel West.

FormerOstrich

(2,703 posts)
11. Radical Left
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:07 AM
Apr 10

I think my neighbors flying their Trump flags categorize me as a radical left, etc etc etc. I despise Jill Sein, but not my point.

I guess I don't really know what "closing" the border in the latest discussions...so it all depends.

The period I am speaking of Lukeville was closed for a month. No passage. None. The closure required an additional 3 hours of driving (in Mexico) to the next port. People in Arizona were upset...including our sane representatives and Governor.

What I hear most from others was they have shut the border thus cutting off all legal traffic and commerce to "cater" to the illegals. That plays right into they only want the illegals to vote..ad nauseam. The illegals are welcomed with services...those upholding the law are the ones being punished.

Of course, it was used a club because the Rs are going to spin anything to their favor. But in a sense it is true. There are people (American citizens and other legal immigrant) that live in border towns for instance, Ajo. They work in the US and return to Mexico each night to care for elderly parents, for instance.

It's just a bad situation. If what is on the table resembles the above it will not help anyone.

FormerOstrich

(2,703 posts)
4. He already did....
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:52 PM
Apr 9

Not that long ago Lukeville AZ and another port in Texas were shut down so resources could be redirected to handle unprecedented influx of those entering illegally.

It caused a lot of harm to the AZ Economy. Plus, there were a lot of heartache for those that "commute" legally through those ports. Plus, it crippled Puerto Penasco which relies heavily on AZ tourism.

This action is a "damn if you do" and "damned if you don't". There has to be better options.

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