A California man was found with 1 million rounds of ammo and 248 illegally owned guns in his house state authorities say

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: Business Insider

Feb 16, 2024, 2:06 AM EST


A man in Richmond, California, was arrested last month with a cache of 248 illegally owned guns and 1 million rounds of ammo in his home, the state attorney general said on Thursday. The man, who was not named, is "alleged to be legally barred from owning weapons," California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement.

Bureau of Firearms agents searching the man's home on January 31 found 11 military-style machine guns, 133 handguns, 37 rifles, 60 assault rifles, 7 shotguns, and 3,000 large-capacity magazines, Bonta said.

Authorities also found 1 million rounds of "miscellaneous caliber ammunition" and dozens of rifle receivers and pistol frames, said the attorney general.

Several grenades were also discovered, but they were determined inert by local bomb squads, per the statement. The man's home also contained 20 silencers and four flare guns, it said.


Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/california-man-million-rounds-ammo-guns-illegal-owned-arrested-2024-2

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Full headline: A California man was found with 1 million rounds of ammo and 248 illegally owned guns in his house, state authorities say

[muriel_volestrangler]

1. Could they donate it all to Ukraine?

Just imagine if a fraction of the privately-held arsenals in the USA were sent to tide the Ukrainians over until someone finds a responsible Republican to be in charge of their party.

[mopinko]

9. my 1st thought as well, but

i assume they have to b held til after trial.

[multigraincracker]

2. Fetish?

Perhaps some kind of sexual tension involved. Way past the hobby stage.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Obsessive-Compulsive Ferengi Psychopath. . . . . nt

[3Hotdogs]

15. Not Ferengi.

A Romulan sleeper agent,

[sop]

12. Just the average gun collector.

[Chainfire]

17. Real collectors would consider him a lightweight. ;)

He had a pile of money invested in his illegal collection.

[sop]

20. Most gun owners have more than one gun.

The demographics of gun ownership in America reveal exactly what one might expect: most firearms are owned by a relatively small number of people, usually uneducated conservative white men living in rural areas.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

[JT45242]

52. Legitimately hunting would require a shotgun and a rifle...

Depending on what you hunt, but I have a lot of hunter friends with a shotgun and a rifle. Most also have a handgun for the house.

Especially the people who do bird hunting.

Not all more than one gun are the same.

Obviously, this dude is a loon with a gun fetish or plans for something bad.

But to me, it's more about which guns than how many if you are under 5 total.

[Chainfire]

57. Plans for arming his closest 300 friends for a night out on the town?

Whatever his plans were, they are about to change.

[getagrip_already]

41. $500/gun, $1/round......

Just an average depending on caliber and brand/style.

But yeah, he had a lot of money tied up there....

[MissMillie]

45. Ammo collector as well?

Gotta wonder how big the house is.

[sop]

46. There's always a phony "ammo shortage," created by the gun industry as a scare tactic to sell more of it.

It's common for these guys to stockpile ammunition in preparation for the coming apocalypse, for when the SHTF. (A favorite gun nut acronym, meaning when the 'shit hits the fan')

[MissMillie]

47. I have no problem believing this.

Still that many guns and that much ammo requires considerable storage space

[Attilatheblond]

58. can't rule out running guns & ammo to Mexico for the cartels

We see local busts of weapon runners around the border in southern Arizona from time to time.

It's not just drugs moving north, but weapons moving south. And the busts of weapons going south, have always been US citizens engaged in arming cartels.

[hadEnuf]

37. Nah, just another MAGAT who wants to slaughter fellow Americans to install his dictator.

This is what's out there now.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

54. My sister in law must inherited a house and a bunch of stuff from a friend.

The plumbing was clogged with shit and there was shit overflowing everywhere but the guy had literally hundreds of guns - including an actual machine gun that had to be turned over to the police.

[DFW]

4. "My client never intended to use these items as weapons, your honor."

"They were only intended as decorations, nothing further."

[mwb970]

5. Why do people do this?

It's pretty obvious that this guy is a conservative, undoubtedly a trump cultist, and very, very afraid. Of something. Or maybe of everything.

[slightlv]

6. I think this guy

Also believes it's gonna be a really bad year, and he's gonna be ready. Either that or he's gonna be one of those couch potatoes who starts the new civil war they want so bad. I wish I were only half kidding.

[scarletlib]

7. What a tremendous waste of money.

[Paladin]

10. And where did the money come from? (nt)

[Wicked Blue]

28. The IRS should audit him and people with similar gun hoards nt

[harumph]

8. No matter how may long guns you have, you can only shoot one at a time.

I'd be looking into his social group/acquaintances for sure.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. "No matter how may long guns you have, you can only shoot one at a time."

(yes that was from the Daily Mail tabloid )

[tanyev]

16. OK, maybe two.

But that's got to be it unless you've got something really freaky to show the class.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. ...

[Aristus]

36. What that pic doesn't show is how notorious the M-60 machine gun is for its barrel-climb.

Shoot it one handed, and you're going to be shooting at birds. Firing it two-handed from the hip requires a tremendous effort to keep the barrel from climbing while it's being fired.

Yes, I'm speaking from personal experience.

One of the reasons I don't own any firearms is because I got the whole 'shoot-shoot-bang-bang' nonsense out of my system when I was in the Army. It was a tremendous amount of fun, but it had its time and place.

Anyway, I was an M1 Abrams-series tank crewmen. The Abrams boasts a 120-mm smooth bore, high-velocity cannon as its main weapon. When I see guys like the loser above with his twin 60's, thinking he's so badass, I just think "That's so cute!..."

[BumRushDaShow]

39. That was from

tabloid Daily Mail's article about a Taliban fighter (now deceased) in Afghanistan 12 years ago.

[Aristus]

40. I'm guessing he's deceased because he didn't know how to fire a machine gun properly.

Still a loser. The Taliban is just basically American incels gone wild.

[BumRushDaShow]

43. ...

[Sancho]

11. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[ShazzieB]

33. "People control" vs. "gun control"?

I'm curious about the terminology you're using here. It seems to me that all the items on your very sensible list are part and parcel of what most people have in mind when we use the term "gun control." Do you think that we need to start using different terminology when talking about this issue, or do you really not consider all those things part of "gun control"?

I guess I just don't see a need to call this issue something other than "gun control." Yes, it's about controlling people, but "people control" is an extremely broad term that could mean a million different things. The term "gun control" may be unpalatable to some people, but "people control" seems too broad to me, and overly broad terminology can lead to confusion.

[Sancho]

35. People control does not imply the 2nd amendment...

...but a permit or license is legal. In theory, with the proper permit an individual could possess a nuclear bomb or death ray!

I admit the effect of a strong license is to prevent gun possession.

[TexasBushwhacker]

50. Issue 5 - Insurance

as far as I know. Even if there was, it wouldn't cover injuries caused in commission of a crime.

This size cache of weapons and ammunition either shows that the owner is an underground dealer or, more likely, affiliated with some kind of criminal or terrorist organization.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. McMansion Arsenal, in case the gub'mint forces you to play Alamo

"Colonel Travis, did Jim Bowie get here yet?"

[Trueblue Texan]

21. The Alamo, Jesus Christ, so Texas

Isn't it just like Texas to make those guys into heroes, when all they were nothing but group of hard-headed men with a bad plan who were disobeying orders? "Remember the Alamo!" to me always sounds like, "Remember there will always be morons in Texas!" I am a native Texan, so I'm not bashing Texans, just that stupid stubborn refusal to deal with reality.

[Aristus]

42. Nah. Go for it. I was born and raised in San Antonio, within just a few miles of the Alamo.

And everything you said is the absolute truth.

[Conjuay]

19. A million rounds?

How long would it take to go through a one million rounds ? (Assuming the weapons were ALL fully automatic)

[unc70]

48. About one day. Depending on type of machine gun

Highly theoretical assuming a fire rate of 600-700 rounds per minute sustained with one gun firing. Obviously, in real life it would take considerably longer.

[IronLionZion]

22. What sort of enemies does he have?

to require a belt fed machine gun among 248 illegal weapons and 1 millions rounds of ammo. Resisting tyranny?

11 military-style machine guns, 133 handguns, 37 rifles, 60 assault rifles, 7 shotguns, and 3,000 large-capacity magazines

[bucolic_frolic]

26. The best enemies, only the best!

[Backseat Driver]

23. This seems to be the most recent statewide (CA) activities APPS report on-line ???

https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/media/2022-apps-report.pdf

[dameatball]

24. The four flare guns should have been a red flag!

[Rocknation]

25. "ALLEGED to be illegally barred from owning weapons?" Either he was or he wasn't

And if he was, they'd better be concealing his name either because he's agreed to snitch or because he's a minor.

P.S. It sounds like only thing they DIDN'T find was a partridge in a pear tree.


Rocknation

[Wicked Blue]

29. They did. The bird was heavily armed

with pea shooters

[IronLionZion]

31. Birds have been known to conduct strafing runs on unsuspecting victims below them

[liberalla]

27. How many guns can you fire at one time?

[ck4829]

30. Enough rounds to kill one million people

[doc03]

32. Due to the political situation in the US I think Democrats may be wise

to arm up. If Trump wins this fall we may need guns ourselves. The MAGAs want a civil war.

[Walleye]

51. So, the only answer to gun violence is more gun violence?

The second amendment is written in blood

[doc03]

55. Sad but true. nt

[Walleye]

60. Yes and the problem is I think you may be right on that

[Zincwarrior]

34. He is a drop for a militia or cartel

putting aside that machine guns like that can't even be acquired by civilians, just the ammunition would cost a minimum $300K - $3.0MM.

[limbicnuminousity]

56. Think you're on to something. nt

[ShazzieB]

38. Just how big is this guy's house? 😱

That's the first thing that went through my mind when I read the phrase "1 million rounds of ammo."

A million of anything is going to take up a lot of space, unless you're talking about something minuscule, which I know ammo is not. Right now, I'm picturing multiple rooms in ths guy's house stacked floor to ceiling with the stuff. And that's in addition to the space for the guns!

This doesn't sound like a collection; it sounds like an obsession!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

44. I am glad that they caught this nutcase

[FakeNoose]

49. CA investigators need to find out where this guy's getting the money

Unless he's a one-per-center, and it doesn't sound like it. He's getting the money from somewhere, and that makes him a front. Also why was he storing the arsenal in his own home?

If he's legally barred from owning weapons, why does he own weapons?

[Calista241]

53. People with that much ammo are typically reloaders

That make a business of selling cheaper ammo to other gun owners.

I'd be curious to see how much was completed ammo versus how many casings, primers, and pounds of gunpowder he had.

In any case, the silencers and firearms themselves are going to land him in jail forever since he is a proscribed person without an FFL license.

[maxsolomon]

59. HOW DARE THEY GRAB HIS GUNS!

[Wonder Why]

61. So? It was a collection. "This one Washington kept whereever he slept. That was one in case Booth needed a second shot."

"These 20 were ones not used by the Connecticut mass shooter who ran away when the cops came. These others were Uvalde Police bullets never fired. The 300 in the corner, I was saving for a good opportunity to mow down some libtards. But my most valuable ones are the dum-dums each of which has a hand-drawn picture of one of my friends."