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groundloop

(11,534 posts)
Tue May 3, 2022, 03:37 PM May 2022

A BYU student flashed a Pride flag at graduation to honor LGBTQ students like herself

Source: CNN

When Jillian Orr walked across the stage to accept her degree in psychology from the Mormon-owned Brigham Young University, she was anxious -- and not just with the usual pre-commencement, rest-of-your-life-ahead-of-you jitters.

Orr planned to use her final moments as an undergrad to honor herself and the other LGBTQ students at BYU like her who hadn't felt comfortable being fully authentic on campus, instead feeling pressured to hide some or all aspects of their LGBTQ identities. In recent years, the school has made clear that it does not embrace gender and sexual diversity.

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In the last two years, LGBTQ students at BYU have seen their school seem to bend to inclusion, only to then double down on exclusion. In 2020, weeks before the pandemic would halt in-person classes, BYU administrators removed a passage from the university's honor code that explicitly banned "homosexual behavior." At the time, LGBTQ students were cautiously optimistic that this meant they could be more open about their relationships on campus.

Then came the apparent reversal: Two weeks after students celebrated what they believed was a major change to the honor code, the church clarified that "homosexual behavior" was still "not compatible" with the school's values. Orr, who was on campus during the whirlwind of celebration and subsequent letdown, called the announcement a "kick in the knees."




Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/us/byu-lgbtq-graduation-jillian-orr-cec/index.html

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A BYU student flashed a Pride flag at graduation to honor LGBTQ students like herself (Original Post) groundloop May 2022 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2022 #1
As much as I loath that Mormon University. BlueIdaho May 2022 #3
Yes shenmue May 2022 #2
Good on her but they'll probably try to revoke her degree or some such assfoolery...nt wcmagumba May 2022 #4
That's Rebl2 May 2022 #8
I mean, good for her I guess? Happy Hoosier May 2022 #5
Typical response FreeState May 2022 #6
If you don't like the burning crosses "just move" AllTooEasy May 2022 #9
Yep FreeState May 2022 #10
Why is she restricted to BYU? Happy Hoosier May 2022 #11
She's not if she wants doesn't want to be with her family for all eternity FreeState May 2022 #12
'Aight.... Happy Hoosier May 2022 #13
A lot of LGBTQ hate comes from people's own families IronLionZion May 2022 #18
Fair enough. Happy Hoosier May 2022 #20
She looks happy. Hope she is. twodogsbarking May 2022 #7
Begging the question: why was she going to BYU? brooklynite May 2022 #14
The answers in the article n/t FreeState May 2022 #15
Thank you for your knowledgable input to this thread Hekate May 2022 #16
"Under the Banner of Heaven" AverageOldGuy May 2022 #17
Brave girl. Joinfortmill May 2022 #19

Response to groundloop (Original post)

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
3. As much as I loath that Mormon University.
Tue May 3, 2022, 03:44 PM
May 2022

She has real courage, unlike that school which finds free speech a real problem for faculty, staff, and students.

FreeState

(10,588 posts)
6. Typical response
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:56 PM
May 2022

As someone who was raised in the Mormon faith this assertion that queer mormons can just choose to attend a different university or school is quite ignorant. It's up there with asking rape victims why they dressed sexy. Completely off the mark and harmful.

FreeState

(10,588 posts)
10. Yep
Tue May 3, 2022, 07:04 PM
May 2022

Unfortunately it is far too common a sentiment. Same tactic used against a different minority (it's amazing how often that happens).

Happy Hoosier

(7,480 posts)
11. Why is she restricted to BYU?
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:27 PM
May 2022

I mean… it seems like a terrible place to be.

Last time I visited SLC I remember the hotel TV had a BYU channel. It was shocking. I can’t imagine hat it was like for her and other queer BYU students.

FreeState

(10,588 posts)
12. She's not if she wants doesn't want to be with her family for all eternity
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:38 PM
May 2022

The church is a cult. All decisions are influenced by the church - including going to the “Lords University”.

You have to remember that the church teaches that if you leave you will be separated from your family forever in the next life. This fear tactic enables the church to use families as methods of keeping people onboard. Look up the suicide rates in Utah - much of it is a direct link. Hell when I went to the temple the first time I had to pantomime killing myself three different ways in front of my family should I ever reveal the secrets. You can read more about them here: https://www.lds-mormon.com/penalty-shtml/

Also if you want her specific reasons check out her Tick Tok or insta - she didn’t realize she was bisexual until after she started attending (plus all the above).

Happy Hoosier

(7,480 posts)
13. 'Aight....
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:56 PM
May 2022

I will check it out.

I get what the Mormons teach. I guess I assumed she became apostate, given that she rejects the church’s teachings on sexuality.

But I remain mystified by the LDS church anyway.

IronLionZion

(45,641 posts)
18. A lot of LGBTQ hate comes from people's own families
Wed May 4, 2022, 08:25 AM
May 2022

there's a good chance she wasn't out before or may not have even known she was gay until college.

I dated a BYU student years ago who was here in DC on an internship. She apparently had no problems with premarital interracial sex. Good things happen that they don't want Mormon elders to know about

AverageOldGuy

(1,570 posts)
17. "Under the Banner of Heaven"
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:40 AM
May 2022

To see Mormonism in action, either read Jon Krakauer's book by this title, or, watch the current Hulu series of the same title.

A brainwashed cult.

But, then, aren't all religions brainwashed cults?

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