Man under investigation in fatal shooting after pro-Trump rally allegedly took loaded gun to earlier
Source: The Oregonian/OregonLive
A 48-year-old man who was accused of carrying a loaded gun at an earlier downtown Portland protest is under investigation in the fatal shooting Saturday night of a right-wing demonstrator after a pro-Trump rally.
Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June, accompanied by the hashtags #blacklivesmatter, #anewnation and #breonnataylor.
Reinoehl was raised in Sandy and has had recent addresses in Northeast Portland, Gresham and Clackamas. He described himself on social media and in a video interview with Bloomberg QuickTake News as a professional snowboarder and contractor who has former military experience but hated his time in the army.
Sources familiar with the case but not authorized to speak said police are investigating Reinoehl. A family member also identified him as a man captured in photos and video seen leaving the shooting scene shortly before 9 p.m. Saturday.
Read more: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)hadEnuf
(2,150 posts)If it were a protester doing the spraying the right wing would be calling the shooting self defense.
Just saying....
Calista241
(5,584 posts)I didn't see any overt provocation, other than his clothing which had blue lives matter stuff on it. Nothing really to justify shooting someone.
Now, maybe he got separated or whatever, but you're only allowed a self defense claim if there is an 'imminent' threat to you or others, and that doesn't seem supported by the video.
Violence is not a solution. And given many of these crowds, what they support seems likely to conflict with the Dem agenda at some point. IMO, we should end this violence while we can still pin it on Trump.
Johnny2X2X
(18,744 posts)Perhaps the suspect was standing his ground?
maxrandb
(15,188 posts)I hate violence, and I hope this guy faces the full brunt of the law, but let's not gloss over the huge differences.
Just imagine this scenario. A couple of people see this Patriot Prayer guy being "suspicious". He's driving around in a car, casing stuff, circling the block, so the protesters start to chase him. One protester coordinates with the other to "cut him off at the pass".
They hunt and track the White Nationalist in their vehicles and get their guns at the ready.
Blocking the suspicious guy, they order him to get on the ground. He refuses to comply, so they aim their weapons at him. He attempts to flee and a protester shoots him in the chest. As they stand over his bleeding body, one says; "we got him".
The police show up, find the dead white guy, take a statement from the shooter... maybe the cop knows him from his time in the military.
The cops enter "self-defense" on the report and the two protesters are sent on their way.
Something tells me that is a scenario we would never see...
unless the victim were black
This is why people are protesting.
LeftInTX
(24,549 posts)knew who each other were. (This is quite common)
There was shouting before the shooting.
Rumor is, the victim pepper sprayed the shooter.
hadEnuf
(2,150 posts)I also did not review the video.
No, violence is not the solution but the continued violence that has been started by the right will only go unanswered for so long. Sooner or later Americans are going to get tired of being target practice for these gun toting Trump supporters and I really can't blame them.
KS Toronado
(16,904 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)KS Toronado
(16,904 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"entire life destroyed by a social media lynch mob for a moment of anger..."
(btw-- how's she doing?)
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Your replies are cherished like letters from an old flame.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Not saying it's not true, just that I'd need to know more about his activities prior to late June.
Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)ZenDem
(442 posts)Your link proves it. His FB page screams 'thrillseeker'. Someone who calls himself an anarchist just for thrill of anarchy. I've run into a few of those in my life.
So, if he is in fact on our side, it just proves we have a few assholes of our own. The difference? The majority of Dems have already condemned this asshole's actions. We aren't making him a fucking hero.
Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)El solo lobo. Well, except for his kids! AN 11-YEAR OLD in the backseat?
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)But just earlier last week...? I mean?
maxsolomon
(32,982 posts)Before last week, you we supposed to rush a mass shooter rather than run, but then it turns out you are never supposed to take a man's AR-15.
Crazy, huh?
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Blasting people with bear mace is not.
It's all very clear.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)airmid
(500 posts)who discharged their weapon first? Did the victim have a weapon? I wish I could find the video again but have had no luck.
cayugafalls
(5,629 posts)Here is enhanced video of the incident. Both shots came from same gun, the shooter. You can see the mace cloud start when the victim begins to raise his arm, right before the shots. If you listen closely, you can hear the hiss of the mace canister. I am working on enhancing the sound quality to bring up that hiss.
Link to tweet
airmid
(500 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)By right wingers standards.
Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta was shot in the back after discharging a police taser and running away.
In that case we learned how less than lethal versus a gun was justified for use of a gun.
Every right wing gun humper on the planet opined to that effect.
cayugafalls
(5,629 posts)In the heat of the moment, the shooter reacted to the motion of his arm. I am not taking sides on this, just trying to discern the facts.
In Kenosha, a person who had already murdered one protester, is being lauded for killing another and wounding one more, because he was defending himself from unarmed protesters trying to capture said "killer".
Using the logic of the far right, you are correct.
Using my logic, he was killed trying to non-lethally defend himself from an assailant. At the end of the day, there are no winners, only losers.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,029 posts)Did they find him not guilty?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)This case was worse. In the Brooks case the taser was spent and Brooks was running.
In this case the perp was actively trying to disable the victim. The victim was in peril of grievous bodily harm or death
The perp had his weapon in a holster. How did the victim know it wasnt a gun?
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,029 posts)I was concerned they dropped the charges.
C Moon
(12,188 posts)maxsolomon
(32,982 posts)The goal of the Boogaloo Boys may be a full-on Civil War, but these shootings do not constitute a Civil War.
Civil UNREST, yes. This is what the National Guard exists to quell.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,725 posts)They know we are 99% non-violent, but every group has their maladjusted members and they finally found one that would play their game.