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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:50 PM Aug 2020

FDA willing to fast track coronavirus vaccine before phase three trials end

Source: CNBC

The chief of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is prepared to bypass the full federal approval process in order to make a Covid-19 vaccine available as soon as possible, according to an interview in The Financial Times.

Insisting that the move would not be due to pressure from the Trump administration to fast track a vaccine, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn told the publication that an emergency authorization could be appropriate before phase three clinical trials are completed if the benefits outweigh the risks.

"It is up to the [vaccine developer] to apply for authorization or approval, and we make an adjudication of their application," Hahn told The Financial Times. "If they do that before the end of phase three, we may find that appropriate. We may find that inappropriate, we will make a determination."

The comments come a week after the FDA granted emergency authorization of convalescent plasma to treat hospitalized Covid-19 patients, despite concerns among some health officials that data from clinical trials is too weak to support widespread application of the treatment yet. That announcement was on the heels of President Trump accusing the FDA, without any evidence, of trying to hurt him politically by dragging its feet in approving new coronavirus vaccines and treatments.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/fda-willing-to-fast-track-coronavirus-vaccine-before-phase-three-trials-end/ar-BB18wcVF?li=BBnba9O&ocid=DELLDHP



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FDA willing to fast track coronavirus vaccine before phase three trials end (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2020 OP
If they don't finish phase three, and it is not peered reviewed, I don't think they will get many still_one Aug 2020 #1
Nope. Nosiree. Trump had nothing to do with this. BKDem Aug 2020 #2
I tell ya, Trump is brilliant. Mr.Bill Aug 2020 #22
Heads of the FDA are still screaming from the pain of their arms being twisted! JA! How many napi21 Aug 2020 #3
This is going to be a huge scary mess. progressive nobody Aug 2020 #4
Sure enough. dalton99a Aug 2020 #5
The past three and a half years... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #13
Pure evil in that face karin_sj Aug 2020 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author llashram Aug 2020 #32
In order to make tRump look good at the order of tRump, remember, every federal agency must be yaesu Aug 2020 #6
Well then bluestarone Aug 2020 #7
And the entire Trump family. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #14
AGREE! bluestarone Aug 2020 #15
+1000 jrthin Aug 2020 #41
Well, authorization is technically not approval. BadgerKid Aug 2020 #8
The way this has worked in the past is straightforward. Igel Aug 2020 #36
Inject Trump and his cabinet first. roamer65 Aug 2020 #9
In the eyeball, well both eyeballs. warmfeet Aug 2020 #37
Far Out! sure why not Aug 2020 #10
What a surprise. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #11
It may be reasonable to go ahead with production before trials end. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #12
I thought that kind of scaling up was already happening... calclar Aug 2020 #16
Could be, I hope so, but it would require "authorization" for funding. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #19
I think the fed government has been funding all of the leading candidates Steelrolled Aug 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author calclar Aug 2020 #17
Putin would love to make Americans afraid of vaccines. Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #18
Neither a Russia nor the U.S. has a vaccine lonely bird Aug 2020 #20
"How many people will get sick from reactions to this vaccine? How many will get the disease anyway" Steelrolled Aug 2020 #23
It only takes a few serious, well publicised adverse reactions NickB79 Aug 2020 #35
Nothing new - this was being discussed many months ago. Steelrolled Aug 2020 #21
Does anyone else work at the FDA the CDC ? kacekwl Aug 2020 #24
I expect the FDA is going full steam ahead on monitoring of the trials. Steelrolled Aug 2020 #27
I won't be Rebl2 Aug 2020 #26
He doesn't care if it's effective or safe Dios Mio Aug 2020 #29
No he does Rebl2 Aug 2020 #31
I won't be getting any vaccine that hasn't been fully tested. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #30
Let MF45 supporters be the guinea pigs and have them take the vaccine first kimbutgar Aug 2020 #33
One Suspects The Companies Might Not Be So Keen On That, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2020 #34
A blanket liability shield is part of their demand in the senate PSPS Aug 2020 #38
Play it out. The FDA fast-tracks, there's a bunch of bad reactions to the vaccine, truthisfreedom Aug 2020 #39
This may be the October surprise. radius777 Aug 2020 #40
Does that mean they will be fast tracking the drinking of bleach also? still_one Aug 2020 #42

still_one

(92,187 posts)
1. If they don't finish phase three, and it is not peered reviewed, I don't think they will get many
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:54 PM
Aug 2020

takers regardless of which side of the aisle

I suspect there probably won't be major safety issues, but the problem will be determining how effective the vaccine is.

Giving someone a vaccine that is not very effective is extremely dangerous because it leads to a false sense of security, and they take unnecessary risks

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
2. Nope. Nosiree. Trump had nothing to do with this.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:55 PM
Aug 2020

Why would you even think that?

Uh, maybe because it’s total bullshit?

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
22. I tell ya, Trump is brilliant.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:39 PM
Aug 2020

He may be the first person in history to make a vaccine responsible for more deaths than the disease.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. Heads of the FDA are still screaming from the pain of their arms being twisted! JA! How many
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:07 PM
Aug 2020

people does he think will accept this vaccine? People aren't stupid! They know the phase 3 testing is where they confirm no lasting problems from the vaccine in any age group of our population, & that it has the desired immunity in everyone as well.

SergeStorms

(19,200 posts)
13. The past three and a half years...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:42 PM
Aug 2020

have not been kind to Donald Trump's beautiful, youthful face, have they? It looks like the entire White House staff has been using his face for a dart board.

Response to dalton99a (Reply #5)

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
6. In order to make tRump look good at the order of tRump, remember, every federal agency must be
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:16 PM
Aug 2020

suspect while tRump is dictator, I won't be taking it if they do.

BadgerKid

(4,552 posts)
8. Well, authorization is technically not approval.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:31 PM
Aug 2020

Still, you’ve got to wonder what if anything gets overlooked.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
36. The way this has worked in the past is straightforward.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:04 PM
Aug 2020

Part of the push for fast-tracking dates to Act Up! and the push for AIDS drugs to hit the market as quickly as possible.

It's a question of how many people are hurt by the drugs (and in what ways) versus how many people are hurt by postponing the drugs (and in what ways)--multiplied by some assessment of the likelihood that the drug is useful or not. It's the same for drugs that do pass the full battery of tests.

Once authorization is granted, the usual testing regime continues in any event. And sometimes the final results get the drug pulled from the market. Or regs involving its use get nudged.

A number of the early AIDS drugs were finally taken off the market or drastically restricted. They were bad. On the other hand, that typically happened when something better came along.

I had a nasty allergic reaction to a drug once and was prescribed Seldane to squash the reaction. Throat was swelling shut, bad bruising just from looking at part of my body. Six months later the FDA yanked Seldane's approval. It was killing too many people--stopping their hearts. (Men, mostly, if I remember correctly.) It's an on-going process.

It would be the same with this. If 1000 people are dying per day, but the vaccine only kills 10 per day, which is better? (It's the same calculus we use with other vaccines. They all have some risk. But the benefits outweigh the risk.)

SergeStorms

(19,200 posts)
11. What a surprise.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:37 PM
Aug 2020

And Donald Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this, right? I'm not putting anything in my body unless it goes through the full federal approval process, and I'm considered an "at risk" individual.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
12. It may be reasonable to go ahead with production before trials end.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:40 PM
Aug 2020

It's a gamble, but if we start production on a few promising vaccines and stockpile them, we might be in a better position to distribute the vaccine when/if the phase 3 trials prove it's good.

It's a venture with some risk, but it's also risky to wait until all tests are done before starting production.

It's a bet, and if we back the "right horses", lives are saved.

No way I'd distribute the vaccine to the market before trials are done and results published/accepted.

calclar

(55 posts)
16. I thought that kind of scaling up was already happening...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:52 PM
Aug 2020

...or is that only taking place with a few of the largest manufacturers??

Seems so long ago (!) when that was announced, I just can't remember.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
19. Could be, I hope so, but it would require "authorization" for funding.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:58 PM
Aug 2020

As opposed to pre-test approval for general distribution.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
25. I think the fed government has been funding all of the leading candidates
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:50 PM
Aug 2020

to start early manufacturing, and receiving guarantees for "N" hundred million vaccine kits. For sure they have done this for Moderna and the Oxford vaccine.

Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #12)

Midnight Writer

(21,753 posts)
18. Putin would love to make Americans afraid of vaccines.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:57 PM
Aug 2020

It would put millions of Americans at risk if there was widespread mistrust of vaccines.

How could he do that? By having the US Government put out a dangerous untested vaccine.

His overall goal is to destroy trust in American institutions, not only domestically but abroad.


lonely bird

(1,685 posts)
20. Neither a Russia nor the U.S. has a vaccine
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:14 PM
Aug 2020

Yes, that is opinion. But developing vaccines takes a long damn time. There is no vaccine for the first SARS. No AIDS vaccine. There was an Ebola vaccine released in 2019.

How many people will get sick from reactions to this vaccine? How many will get the disease anyway despite the vaccine?

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
23. "How many people will get sick from reactions to this vaccine? How many will get the disease anyway"
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:46 PM
Aug 2020

The initial (small scale) safety and effectiveness trials (phases 1 and 2) were good.

If the large scale trial (phase 3) shows very good effectiveness, and no safety issues, and the pandemic is still harming many, the FDA will consider whether the effectiveness results (so far) outweigh the safety risks (so far). If so, they could give limited approval. The FDA will continue monitoring the 30000 Phase 3 participants, as well as the deployment to the general public after approval (known as phase 4).

I'm excited about the results so far.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
35. It only takes a few serious, well publicised adverse reactions
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:01 PM
Aug 2020

To convince tens of millions to avoid the vaccine. If that happens, it could be worse than waiting the extra few months to see which are the safest.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
21. Nothing new - this was being discussed many months ago.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:34 PM
Aug 2020

I volunteered for the trial but haven't been called. If the numbers are good, I'll be first in line to get it early.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
24. Does anyone else work at the FDA the CDC ?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:48 PM
Aug 2020

No other experts or scientists who know the crap going on at the agencies will to speak up ? Is everyone going to shut up and let the chips fall where they may ? I find that hard to believe and truly sad if correct.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
27. I expect the FDA is going full steam ahead on monitoring of the trials.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:56 PM
Aug 2020

I would hope they focus on that and not politics-driven speculation in the news. If and when the FDA gives approval would be the time for a whistle-blower to speak up.

Dios Mio

(429 posts)
29. He doesn't care if it's effective or safe
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:48 PM
Aug 2020

the results wouldn’t be known until after the election. He is going to force the FDA to make a mess of this but that’s okay as long as it makes him look like a real leader.

Lonestarblue

(9,981 posts)
30. I won't be getting any vaccine that hasn't been fully tested.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 06:08 PM
Aug 2020

I hate having to stay home most of the time, but I would hate being on a ventilator struggling to breathe even more.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
33. Let MF45 supporters be the guinea pigs and have them take the vaccine first
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:45 PM
Aug 2020

Because there is no fricking way I would take a vaccine for that administration of fraudsters.

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
39. Play it out. The FDA fast-tracks, there's a bunch of bad reactions to the vaccine,
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 06:55 AM
Aug 2020

And the anti-vaxxers win a huge new following. Nothing is accomplished, and covid-19 drags out for another 5 years.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
40. This may be the October surprise.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 07:38 AM
Aug 2020

Trump would do anything to win including twisting the arms of the FDA.

The worst would be if Fauci stands up there and endorses it.

If we don't get ahead of this, it could be like another Comey type event that shifts independents.

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