Attorney for accused Kenosha protest gunman says teen acted in self-defense
Source: Reuters
KENOSHA, Wis. (Reuters) - A high-profile lawyer representing the 17-year-old boy charged with killing two protesters and wounding another during demonstrations on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, said on Friday that his client had acted in self-defense.
Atlanta-based attorney Lin Wood said video footage of the altercation would vindicate Kyle Rittenhouse despite what he described as misinformation being spread by the media.
"Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. Murder charges are factually unsupportable. An egregious miscarriage of justice is occurring with respect to this 17-year old boy," Wood said on Twitter.
Rittenhouse, who prosecutors say traveled 30 miles (50 km) to Kenosha from his home in Antioch, Illinois, before the shooting at about 11:45 p.m. on Tuesday, is charged with six criminal counts, including first-degree homicide and attempted homicide.
Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/attorney-for-accused-kenosha-protest-gunman-says-teen-acted-in-self-defense/ar-BB18qo55?li=BBnb7Kz
When does someone from Illinois who commits a crime in Wisconsin get an attorney from Atlanta? Which organization is his attorney associated with?
yaesu
(8,020 posts)the nazi punk murdered those people in cold blood, he's on video doing it, his ass is cooked. After his ass is cooked they need to go after his mother and the wep manufacturer, the police who let it happen.
modrepub
(3,495 posts)No telling how much $ these folks will be raising via "Go Fund Me" appeals.
hoosierspud
(148 posts)and Mark Zuckerberg down to his last pair of clean underwear. The militia group this kid was a part of called for its members to show up in Kenosha with weapons. Hundreds of requests were made to FB moderators to shut down the group, but the requests were ignored because it didn't violate FB standards
After two people ended up dead, they shut it down. Zuckerberg has blood on his hands.
MrsCheaplaugh
(183 posts)Sue his ass to kingdom come.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)since he's a kid with a long history of being cop obsessed.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)and the people brave enough to try to take that gun away from him would be praised as heroes.
Instead, the heroes are being portrayed as attackers who deserved to be slaughtered because black folks can't be heroes.
This kid might very well skate on the charges. He won't stay out of prison for long.
Botany
(70,504 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:21 PM - Edit history (2)
He went from Illinois to Wisconsin, brought an assault rifle, put himself into the
middle of BLM demonstration, and when "the locals" objected to him and his gun
being there he shot a person and then shot another person trying to stop him
from shooting anybody else.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)If you are a convicted felon, and you have a gun and shoot someone who broke into your house; you'll go to jail for the weapons charge, but you'll skate on a murder charge because you were acting in self defense. Being a convicted felon does not supercede your right to self defense.
Rittenhouse, being in possession of a weapon where he was is a violation, but it's a misdemeanor. And it doesn't eliminate his right to self defense.
The only charge that's really up in the air is the first shooting. The 2nd guy killed, and the dude with his arm shot will be legit self defense, and those charges will be dropped before trial. Those two shootings are on numerous videos, Rittenhouse was clearly fleeing down the road, and is not a threat to anyone, and was attacked by two people. It doesn't matter what happened minutes before. Wisconsin is an open carry state, and Rittenhouse's rifle was pointed at the ground before the confrontation. What matters is who is the aggressor in that instant, and in that instant, in the eyes of the law, Rittenhouse is the victim.
Rittenhouse is for sure going down on the possession charge, maybe the endangering safety charges as well, but i kind of doubt it.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)Fucker deserves the fucking needle.
And if it's true "mommy" drove him there, she needs to spend several years behind bars as well.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Either we oppose capital punishment or we don't. The state has no business killing anyone under the color of law, period. I have always opposed capital punishment and I always will.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)But in my opinion capital punishment is wrong. We are just about the only civilized First World country that still has capital punishment. And capital punishment disproportionately affects people of color.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)But given how the death penalty is applied, it is morally unsupportable, since innocent people have been executed. As long as we have a death penalty, it will be applied unjustly, and innocent people will die.
How many innocent people is it okay to murder in order to punish the guilty?
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)I don'y know. Perhaps you could ask George Bush and Dick Cheney post 9/11.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)kind of a waste of time to ask a question I already know the answer to. Cheney has made it pretty clear that he will murder as many as he sees fit.
I would hope we are better than that.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)State sanctioned murder is uncivilized and barbaric. Besides, we don't know as death is a punishment at all. We could be putting the killer out of his misery, whereas, he should live a long, long life incarcerated, knowing what all he lost and the pain he caused.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)Either we do something to STOP the FASCIST TAKEOVER of America by white supremacists, or we kiss it goodbye.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Also a 17 year old's brain isn't fully developed the pre frontal cortex is not fully developed in a teen's brain.
I fully support prosecuting him but death penalty is too far for me.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)If it was a 12 year old, yeah, maybe I could agree. But a 17 year old??? Today's 17 year old is the equivalent of last centuries 25 year old. Today's 17 year old has much more cogniscent ability than you or I had 50 years ago.
I'm sorry, THAT IS AN ADULT.
An individual, who has experience with an assault weapon, travels over state lines KNOWS EXACTLY what they are doing.
Besides, 17 or just 18 is old enough to join the military and kill multitudes of humans as part of their job.
This kid knew EXACTLY what he was doing and should pay the price for it.
As well as his "mommy" should spend years in federal prison as an accomplice if it's shown she drove this traitor across state lines to kill Americans.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily during adolescence and is fully accomplished at the age of 25 years. The development of the prefrontal cortex is very important for complex behavioral performance, as this region of the brain helps accomplish executive brain functions.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The%20development%20and%20maturation%20of%20the%20prefrontal%20cortex%20occurs%20primarily,helps%20accomplish%20executive%20brain%20functions.
Sociopaths also have less activity in the prefrontal cortex area
There's Now More Evidence Linking Psychopathy to Disturbances in The Prefrontal Cortex
https://www.sciencealert.com/psychopathy-has-been-linked-to-disturbances-in-the-prefrontal-cortex
The prefrontal cortex regulates impulse & decision making.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)"The find doesn't necessarily mean changes in the prefrontal cortex can cause psychopathy or vice versa - correlation does not equal causation, after all."
Meaning, this individual could very well been COMPLETELY AWARE of his intentions and actions. The fact he drove (or was driven) from out of state indicates PRE MEDITATION and therefore requires the harshest penalty the law provides.
WE HAVE TO STOP THE FASCIST TAKEOVER OF AMERICA.
Let's start by jailing assholes running around with AR-15s, regardless of their age.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I just posted that to highlight my understanding of the prefrontal cortex.
I agree he was aware of his actions and should be held accountable. I just think it is unlikely he would make the same decision if he were 30.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)A further 13 years of bigoted, fascist, racist propaganda and indoctrination from like-minded family and friends may make the criminality WORSE, not better.
See Nazi Germany, 1930 - 1942.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Hes too young, and the jurisdiction he committed the murders in abolished the death penalty.
No, fellow Democrat, what Mr. Rittenhouse needs is to die behind bars of natural causes at the age of 100, toilet brush in his left hand and bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in the right.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)It does not lesson my anger at this un-American fucking punk...
Or his defenders.
bringthePaine
(1,728 posts)Schadenfreude 😉 maybe add a side of anti-terror statutes, yum!
rdking647
(5,113 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)And he may very well have to go there because the Black gangs in the Big House know who he is.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)dware
(12,375 posts)That's what Defense Attorney's do, they're supposed to vigorously defend their client(s), whether they believe their client is truly innocent or guilty.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)But from what I've seen this kid didn't get threatened until after he arrived on scene with an assault weapon and fired blindly into a crowd. Then he was chased down and beaten and may have felt he had to defend himself. The key word there is "assault".
Certainly he'll have a hard time with this defense since he went there with obvious intentions of shooting someone. He just needed an excuse.
Traildogbob
(8,739 posts)If the victim that lost his arm from the prick, can go shoot and kill his chubby little racist incel ass, the one armed guy can claim self defense. Imagine the go fund me for his defense.
And that little puke as well as the cop that shot 7 times in the back of a black man are walking right now. Unlike the paralyzed black man, the 2 dead and the one armed victim. Justice in America. Brought into full view from a lawless Putin puppet. MAGA...Again.
Where are daddy and son bubbas KKKlansmen from Georgia that chased a black man down to kill? Are theY out fishing in Georgia, hiring Goolianis KKKlan of attornies?
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)the punk is entitled to a defense. He is also allowed to hire a lawyer or have one assigned to him.
Lets be sure to get the facts straight. He had a weapon assuredly not purchased for target practice. He had his mother drive him to the scene of the protest with weapon in hand. (What sane mother would take her armed 17 year old son into a situation like that?) So isnt the logical first question to the teen, why did you go there? What did you think you were going to do? As an under age civilian, under whose authority did you believe you were acting? What did you believe would happen by you going there to a highly charged, emotional event with a gun designed to kill?
There are many more questions that will need to be asked and answered but his intent matters. Why did he go there? What was he planning to do once he was at the protest? Is he like the arsonist who cries foul after he got burned setting the fire? Does he expect the rest of us to feel gratitude for his efforts? So many questions this young man will be facing.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)then sues you because he cut himself on broken glass from the window he smashed, then slipped on the ice on your sidewalk.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)louis-t
(23,292 posts)Just for giggles. The guy came looking for trouble.
RussBLib
(9,008 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)It's their job.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)of speech.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)then went on and shot two more after he hung up. I don't think self-defense is going to get off the ground.
John Drake
(68 posts)Kyle Rittenhouse is a community lifeguard who was working in Kenosha the day of the shooting.
This simple fact destroys the narrative being peddled by the mainstream media that he had crossed state lines to harm the rioters.
In a statement by Rittenhouses legal team at Pierce Bainbridge, provided to the Gateway Pundit, they explained that after Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters.
Bwahahahahah*wheeze*Bwahahahahah
That'll be easy enough to disprove. Where are the timesheet records? Who saw him at work that day? I'll wager none exist.
All vapor and will sink that defense.
gateway pundit *spit* rightwing assholes.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)Eh...his defense attorneys have to do something for this PUKE even if it's the outrageous "defense" claim.
forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)Kenosha is less than 1/2 hour away, and basically the closest big town. It isnt unusual to live in Antioch and work in Kenosha. The State border is truly an invisible line in this case.
sarisataka
(18,649 posts)why are so many people shocked that he is doing his job?
melm00se
(4,992 posts)depending upon one's view of the actual crime, who perpetrated it, who was victimized by it and if they get into the way of a good righteous rage or not.
sarisataka
(18,649 posts)who believe the rights of the accused should only apply to certain perpetrators.
Several have indicated we should schedule the execution to take place immediately after the fair trial; unless we want to have some good old fashioned prison "justice" administered before said execution.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)?
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Then he shot the guy with the skateboard who had NO GUN in the chest. He died. That lower right picture is so misleading. Where did you get it?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)The third man to be shot was wounded in the left arm. Court records said Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, appeared to be holding a gun when he approached Rittenhouse after he shot at Huber.
https://www.startribune.com/men-killed-wounded-joined-kenosha-protests-engaged-gunman/572252332/
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Rittenhouse filled that unarmed man with bullets from his assault rifle as that man tried to use a plastic bag to disarm him.
Then subsequent men were bravely trying to take Rittenhouse's AR from him, after he fucking murdered a guy. The second guy he killed was armed with just a skateboard, as the article says. So what self defense can he claim against two unarmed men?
But you go with the right wing narrative. Why?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)MILWAUKEE One of the victims of the Kenosha protest shootings is recovering in a Milwaukee hospital. Two other men were killed, while Gaige Grosskreutz from West Allis was shot in the arm.
Just before midnight Tuesday, gunshots rang to in Kenosha. National photojournalist Alex Lourie was there when it happened, working.
Video shows that man people said was the shooter fall. People started running towards him, then another two shots rang out.
One of those bullets hit Grosskreutz in the arm. Lourie said he saw Grosskreutz was carrying a gun. He also saw he was volunteering as a medic earlier that night.
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/west-allis-man-shot-during-kenosha-protests-recovers-in-milwaukee-hospital
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A man who was shot in the arm during Tuesday's night protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, has been identified as 26-year-old Gaige Grosskreutz
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)You're arguing the THIRD guy, a medic, that Rittenhouse shot was self defense because the medic had a handgun, even tbough no video or witnesses say the medic pointed the gun at Rittenhouse. But hey, Rittenhouse felt threatened because he saw a man with a handgun so he had every right to bladt away, according to you and the right wingers at The Post and the right wing fever swamp on the internet. But when an unarmed man with a plastic bag tries to disarm a crazed kid carrying a mass killing weapon, that's not self defense, that's Rosenbaum being the "aggressor." You see no inconsistencies with how you apply your "self defense" argument?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)How is Rittenhouse's shooting of Grosskreutz self defense?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)FBaggins
(26,735 posts)Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head. . .
As Mr. Rittenhouse is running, he trips and falls to the ground. He fires four shots as three people rush toward him. One person appears to be hit in the chest and falls to the ground. Another, who is carrying a handgun, is hit in the arm and runs away.
Mr. Rittenhouses gunfire is mixed in with the sound of at least 16 other gunshots that ring out during this time.
If he's running away and shots are fired... and then he's attacked (after "get that dude" and "get his ass" ) while he's on the ground and an armed man lunges for him?
Going to be easy to convict on charges related to a minor carrying a weapon in the first place... and probably some form of "fleeing the scene" charge. But it's going to be difficult to get past some amount of reasonable doubt - particularly for anything approaching a premeditated homicide charge.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Let alone fired the gun.
Rittenhouse had just sprayed a man with bullets from his assault rifle, killing him on the spot. That is why the crowd was chasing him. They were trying to disarm him to keep him from killing more people.
AZ8theist
(5,461 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)he should have. The NRA always runs with stories like this...
If you've just killed someone and are being chased from the location you're not the victim.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Lin Wood runs a right-wing organization that brings "lawsuits to stop the lies and smears of the radical left."
https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyers-john-pierce-lin-wood-fightback-foundation-2020-8
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)
Which goes to show how a trial attorney can be pretty inaccurate about the lay of the land of facts in this nation.
Or they really do know, and choose only facts that help their bottom line.
These are definitely just-us lawyers, not justice lawyers.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Maybe it's a good thing the jurisdiction IS in Illinois. Being a blue state and all, the judge might not buy any of Lin Wood's first moves.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Wood is the right wing mouthpiece that gets the media quotes out and gets the right wing rubes to donate to the cause.
Rittenhouse will be VERY well defended.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Based on his "official site statement," we liberals must be some psychos and don't know it.
Just a taste of the fight bluster against our "lies" and "abuse of power."
Far left social media executives say they care about free speech, but it turns out they only about care about free speech that they like. They fact check President Trump for typos and ban conservatives for their opinions, but they let blue check marks freely say that all white people are evil and biological sex does not exist. Social media companies have abused the privileges given to them by federal law. But we will hold them accountable for their lies and extreme bias.
The left has targeted conservatives for far too long. From Obama and Lois Lerner targeting conservative groups to state officials singling out religious business owners to illegal wiretaps on Trump officials based on crackpot conspiracy theories, the far left has not stopped using political power to attack constitutional rights. It's time to #Fightback. Join our team as we take the far left to court for their abuses of power.
I now suspect that this killing, like others, was a setup. We're up against a war script with scripted skirmishes that are nowhere near "long wolf" random, with police playing referee/witness.
Doug.Goodall
(1,241 posts)dware
(12,375 posts)He's doing what any competent Defense Attorney would do.
They are bound to vigorously defend their client, whether or not they believe in guilt or innocence.
I would have been shocked if he hadn't made that statement.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)What fix? We don't have equal justice in this country. Justice goes to the highest bidder. The right wing have more money. It's as simple as that.
dware
(12,375 posts)All I said was that he was doing what any competent defense attorney would do, vigorously defending his client, which he is bound to do.
Doug.Goodall
(1,241 posts)Kenosha is a bit more right wing than Milwaukee or Chicago. They know that first they have to file serious, multiple charges against the little vigilante, then after the news cools down, they start dropping the charges.
First one to go is the crossing state line charges. Then they drop the first degree murder charges. When it finally goes to trial, what few charges are left are dismissed for lack of evidence and a determination of self defense.
A year from now when the kid walks, nobody will notice.
DVRacer
(707 posts)They might get the minor with a gun charge to stick. Rosenbaum the first guy shot and killed was by law the aggressor he was pissed Kyle used a fire extinguisher on the dumpster on wheels he set on fire (in a video). He screams at Kyle and chased him (in a video). Rosenbaum then lunges at Kyle and attempts to grab the rifle and is shot (testimony from McGuiness). While on the phone crowd starts yelling get his ass beat the shit out of him Kyle runs. All of this is already available on multiple videos nothing will change it. Kyle should not have placed himself in that situation but he will go free of any major charges.
Im just telling everyone what is going to happen. Just be prepared for it. I figure I will catch hell for saying this but it is the truth.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)I could not find any videos showing Rosenbaum starting a dumpster on fire, or Rittenhouse putting it out, nor Rosenbaum as the "aggressor" pursuing Rittenhouse. Got links?
DVRacer
(707 posts)SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Is that all you have?
DVRacer
(707 posts)SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)What he said was Rosenbaum, and everyone else thereafter, were grabbing at the AR to try to get it away from Rittenhouse. They weren't grabbing at Rittenhouse, they grabbed at his AR. They were trying to disarm him because he was a danger to everyone, pointing his AR at people, as the narrator states.. Not wating to let go of a gun you're not supposed to have is not grounds to kill the person trying to take the illegal gun away from you.
So is that the best you've got?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)is fooling themselves. Zimmerman all over again.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I'm interested in hearing what the prosecutor has to say.
The jury made a mistake in the Zimmerman case but it is because most of the juror members had a poor understanding of AAVE.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I just dont trust a jury to properly decide.
dlk
(11,566 posts)Whats next from the imminently creative attorney, it was a lethal skateboard?
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)According to Rittenhouse's attorney.
SunSeeker
(51,551 posts)Rittenhouse clearly possessed the AR for many days before killing those men. That "friend" gave a child an assault rifle. Sounds like child endangerment to me. And mom knew about it since she drove her little doughy killer to the protest with that AR.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)At 17, he most likely has a license.
dware
(12,375 posts)do you have any links that confirm that really happened?
dlk
(11,566 posts)He didnt leave home in self-defense.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Edited my post after doing some further reading and discovered what I had first posted was factually wrong. My error for being sloppy and not doing homework before posting.
malthaussen
(17,194 posts)He's an advocate. That's what he does.
-- Mal
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Upward
(115 posts)When you shoot someone for throwing a plastic bag at you, and others come after you, it makes total sense to fear they'll harm your person.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)suggests self defense.