DHS Chief Says His Federal Agents Are 'Proactively' Arresting People In Portland
Source: TPM
Acting Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Chad Wolf spun his unidentified federal agents random detainment of nonviolent anti-police brutality protesters in Portland, Oregon as some kind of pre-crime measure on Tuesday night.
Because we dont have that local support, that local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals, Wolf said during an interview on Fox News. And we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable.
He derided the ridiculous notion that federal law enforcement shouldnt take over a city without local leaders permission.
You need to hold individuals accountable, and when we dont do that, I think we get what we see in Portland today, the Trump administration official said.
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TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)brush
(53,957 posts)ashredux
(2,612 posts)marble falls
(57,405 posts)detention" went for him.
Warpy
(111,410 posts)both of which laid the framework for a police state.
Picking up random Goth kids is going to work exactly as well as picking up random scruffy college kids did. They're going to start facing the wrath of their bedrock supporters, middle and upper middle class parents, most in the suburbs.
The kids will be terrified for a while, but then they are going to get angry.
If they don't get that Chad halfwit out of there and stop this, they will need bombing and strafing to "pacify" us.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Both were created by the GOP in the chaos of the post-911 era. We have had far too much government overreach and and intrusion into peoples lives. While we are at it, its time to contract the Border Patrol - both in staffing and in the areas they can legally operate.
George II
(67,782 posts)yonder
(9,683 posts)This ain't no movie
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Have they been released and what is the actual charge. Wolf is unqualified want a be, and he must be ousted.
ashredux
(2,612 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)But instead of precogs, they just target minorities.
angrychair
(8,749 posts)Just "arrest anyone with brown skin" is an easy order to follow
RandySF
(59,547 posts)getagrip_already
(14,923 posts)It's about a group of genetically modified people who live in an altered state that allows them to predict real events in the furture. If 2 of 3 agree that a specific person was likely to commit a crime, that person could be tried for that crime based only on their testimony.
Any dissenting vote was termed a minority report but wasn't admissible.
Actually a very good movie and a terrible legal theory.
I can't believe a federal judge couldn't issue a restraining order, if only to rule that federal forces must be in uniforms that identify their agency, identity, and team leader. They should also be transferred under state governor control if used for riot control.
This could easily still allow federal aagencies to operate on drug interdictions, immigration issues, human trafficing, etc.
But it would remove the "secret" part of the force, and bring them under state control as required by posse comatades.
These groups need to be identified as federal troops, not leo's. There are likely blackwater contractors and para military groups running around pretending to be fed's. How would any state know?
cayugafalls
(5,646 posts)One of his better performances.
getagrip_already
(14,923 posts)Not a huge fan of him as a person, so I tend to ignore his actual work achievements......
my bad. apologies.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)what a young Portland man said who was picked up by these goons a few days ago and held in a federal courthouse before being released with no charges and never being told why he had been detained: In several newspaper accounts of his ordeal, he is quoted as saying that it was all very surreal..."LIKE A PHILLIP DICK NOVEL."
Now I get it: Minority Report
McKim
(2,412 posts)So how do they know who to arrest? They have been spying on us? Are local police cooperating with them in this way? How can we find out?
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)He basically said the Portland police are doing their thing, and they Feds are doing their thing. Not coordinating.
For what it's worth.
Turbineguy
(37,387 posts)Nuremberg?
jaxexpat
(6,865 posts)At Hazelton make a left. You can't miss it.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,060 posts)You need to hold individuals accountable, and when we dont do that, I think we get what we see in Portland today, the Trump administration official said.
Has any kidnappee been charged?
Any missing and unaccounted for?
Any dropped out of helicopters over the ocean? Like Argentina and Chile did during their fascist episodes.
onetexan
(13,078 posts)Portland DA must get an emergency injunction to get these peaceful protesters released. This is unconscionable!!!
Thekaspervote
(32,813 posts)So where are they? If there are any. They arent in Portlands jails because local police are not coordinating with them.
Thunderbeast
(3,425 posts)What were the charges?
Where are they being held?
Will Billy Williams (federal prosecutor) take these cases forward? If not, will he be fired?
Will we see Bill Barr's imposing presence soon to grandstand?
DallasNE
(7,404 posts)Enoki33
(1,589 posts)in Syria. Russian unmarked soldiers in Africa. Now we have unmarked military in American cities. Putin seems to be calling the shots. Not saying they are Russian. Only that it is clearly another tactic from Putins playbook.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)the minority reporting of society.
IronLionZion
(45,601 posts)2naSalit
(86,880 posts)IronLionZion
(45,601 posts)BKDem
(1,733 posts)I think its all spelled out in Article II, or Bill Barrs vivid imagination. One of those.
thucythucy
(8,104 posts)and here's how Senator Robert Kennedy responded:
elleng
(131,276 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)tell anyone around if followed they will shoot to kill, and take victim off and rape or murder her. We are blind here. It needs to stop. A rented white van does not cut it.
obamanut2012
(26,166 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Hotler
(11,470 posts)and start handing them out to the goon squads at the protest.
elleng
(131,276 posts)(Posted earlier.)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017594629
DallasNE
(7,404 posts)First off, what Wolf describes is commonly called preventive detention and that has been determined by the courts to be illegal. And you don't arrest people for crimes you think they might commit, especially based on profiling. Lastly, Wolf's actions have only reignited the protest movement against excessive use of force by law enforcement - something that was wholly predictable and predicted.
Lastly what Wolf is doing is beyond the charter of DHS making it unauthorized. And the breach is not of a technical nature. It is blatant and criminal. He is not above the law. Lock him up!
Tom Ridge, first Sec of DHS: The department was established to protect America from the ever-present threat of global terrorism. It was not established to be the presidents personal militia.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Trump is humping his leg so hard its embarrassing.
KPN
(15,670 posts)who's next.
This makes me so fucking angry!
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RobinA
(9,902 posts)We don't "proactively" arrest here. Who is this chad?
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)WHEREVER he goes!!!
getagrip_already
(14,923 posts)I can't believe a federal judge couldn't issue a restraining order, if only to rule that federal forces must be in uniforms that identify their agency, identity, and team leader. They should also be transferred under state governor control if used for crowd control or property protection.
This could easily still allow federal agencies to operate on drug interdictions, immigration issues, human trafficing, etc.
But it would remove the "secret" part of the force, and bring them under state control as required by posse comatades.
These groups need to be identified as federal troops, not leo's. There are likely blackwater contractors and para military groups running around pretending to be fed's. How would any state know?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,367 posts)You don't arrest anyone without cause you little Nazi.
nwliberalkiwi
(367 posts)Chad Wolf=Human Scum
Look at his dead eyes. This person is pure evil!!! He needs to be prosecuted and placed in jail for crimes against the American people!!! I truly could see him in an SS uniform. This guy is truly creepy.
matt819
(10,749 posts)If you need to understand how what happened in Germany in the run-up to WWII happened, you're watching it unfold right here.
Evolve Dammit
(16,793 posts)secret police goon squads are illegal when people are exercising their First Amendment rights. We saw what you did to the Navy vet and there needs to be hearings ASAP asking under oath. "Who are you? Who directed you? Who pays you? What is the structure of the "organization" you are "employed" by?" We need facts fast. This is full blown tin-pot dictator crap. Putin must be elated, but this cannot go un-addressed.
mahina
(17,727 posts)Or took them for reality. No you can not preemptively arrest people.
What about your oath?
The question the Navy vet asked is one we should ask these fascists every day.
SWBTATTReg
(22,191 posts)numerous courts have thrown such arrests out (and all gathered materials resulting from the illegal arrests).
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Learned that in Criminal Procedure class.
Vinca
(50,322 posts)Grokenstein
(5,729 posts)"I thought the punishment usually came after the crime."
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/eb0db48e-bd54-460d-aeb5-09c8b74ffb95
whistler162
(11,155 posts)about how well the grunts were treated after Abu Ghraib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Convictions_of_soldiers
howardmappel
(80 posts)We don't arrest people for thinking, we don't arrest for peaceful protest, and we certainly don't kidnap them. I hope that once tRump is out, the Portland DA and the Oregon AG issue arrest warrants for the DHS Secretary and everyone down the line who approved/enforced these fascistic acts. This is kidnapping, conspiracy to kidnap and violations of civil rights under color of law. These assholes need to go to prison.
llashram
(6,265 posts)so did the nazis and every fascist government before and after right up to this city and to the others trump is threatening to invade. What a crock of shit.