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James48

(4,427 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:14 PM Jul 2020

Suspect killed in deputy-involved shooting after mask fight

Source: ABC 12 , Flint, Michigan

DELTA TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WILX) - One man has died following an incident that began at a Quality Dairy located at 7120 Lansing Road in Dimondale around 6:45 a.m. Tuesday.

Michigan State Police said a masked man from Lansing, 77, and an unmasked man from Grand Ledge, Sean Ruis, 43, got into an altercation regarding wearing masks.

Police said the customer, Ruis, who was not wearing a mask was refused service by the store.

MSP said Ruis pulled out a knife and stabbed the 77-year-old Lansing man and then fled the scene from in a car.

(more at link)

Read more: https://www.abc12.com/2020/07/14/update-fight-over-masks-leads-to-stabbing-shooting-death/



Delta Township is near Lansing, Michigan.

An unmasked guy in a store is asked to leave-

A guy pulls out a knife and stabs the 77-year old masked customer standing there.

What is this country coming to?

More at link.
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Suspect killed in deputy-involved shooting after mask fight (Original Post) James48 Jul 2020 OP
Helping Trump. Turbineguy Jul 2020 #1
Insanity. Minds are breaking crashing Roc2020 Jul 2020 #2
Fox News and people like Rush Limbaugh are helping to stoke this insanity. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #3
No. And I certainly hope there isn't a way to get around this... reACTIONary Jul 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamPooka Jul 2020 #4
Not this time---he was killed (don't know if he was white or black) mtngirl47 Jul 2020 #5
I'm fine with that outcome. TeamPooka Jul 2020 #8
I'm not. PSPS Jul 2020 #13
Me too. I'm OK with what occurred. AZ8theist Jul 2020 #29
"What shall we call you, pilgrim?" Turbineguy Jul 2020 #38
There is no white male murderer. The store owner was not killed. The knife wielding Hispanic man vsrazdem Jul 2020 #6
Do not interact with people not wearing masks, report them, stay as far away as possible yaesu Jul 2020 #7
best advice TeamPooka Jul 2020 #9
When I see one of the Un-Masked's heading my way Bayard Jul 2020 #11
What about the employees? Mosby Jul 2020 #17
That's up to management & owners, store security. nt yaesu Jul 2020 #32
I try to not even look at them Roc2020 Jul 2020 #18
Witness told a different story than the police. BComplex Jul 2020 #10
both of these could be true (nt) stopdiggin Jul 2020 #12
They didn't have to kill him. PSPS Jul 2020 #14
I think most of us here disagree. Kaleva Jul 2020 #15
I think the self-defense was justified. Gore1FL Jul 2020 #16
If a cop can't disable a knife-wielding person without shooting to kill, they shouldn't be a cop. PSPS Jul 2020 #23
Oh give me a freaking break. LisaL Jul 2020 #25
"would prefer not to" PSPS Jul 2020 #27
Like I said, if somebody attacks you with a knife, you are welcome to do whatever. LisaL Jul 2020 #28
" it's very easy to disable a person with a knife using only the baton" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #33
What do you base that opinion on? Kaleva Jul 2020 #37
Are you goddamn serious??! ansible Jul 2020 #40
Wow.. suicide by cop.. all bc of not wanting to Cha Jul 2020 #42
Knife defense only works if an amateur attacks from above. NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #45
No they didn't, sarisataka Jul 2020 #19
They could have shot him in the foot. He would have dropped the knife then. PSPS Jul 2020 #24
Foot? Why not a pinkie finger? When somebody with a knife is after you, you shoot them in a foot. LisaL Jul 2020 #26
The foot? That would hurt. sarisataka Jul 2020 #30
She tried to shoot the knife out of his hand but it didn't work. LisaL Jul 2020 #35
LOL RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #36
That right there is some Hollywood-level nonsense. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #39
She shot the guy several times right in the chest, he kept coming. NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #51
re: "...shot him in the foot." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2020 #52
There's both police bodycam and a separate house video at the link now muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #21
I had not seen the video when I posted. I was only going by the article, which had two different BComplex Jul 2020 #31
There is a video linked in the article. LisaL Jul 2020 #34
It seems like suicide by cop.. after he stabbed Cha Jul 2020 #41
Hah? LisaL Jul 2020 #22
video from a house camera shows the knife guy attacked. NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #43
And she gave many warnings even while he continued to approach her JI7 Jul 2020 #44
I'm amazed she didn't get stabbed. NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #47
What happened to the 77 year old man that was stabbed ? JI7 Jul 2020 #46
Critical condition in the hospital. Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #48
Here's a still photo taken from the police woman's body cam video, showing how close he was: Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #49
Found a Fox article, saying "Suspect shot to death who attacked deputy had 2 knives, screwdriver" Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #50

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
2. Insanity. Minds are breaking crashing
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

and exploding because of lack of common sense. Condolences to the family of this senior.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
3. Fox News and people like Rush Limbaugh are helping to stoke this insanity.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:34 PM
Jul 2020

Is there nothing that can be done legally to curtail their dangerous propaganda? They’re broadcasting over public airwaves. It seems there should be some way to get around that whole free speech issue.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
20. No. And I certainly hope there isn't a way to get around this...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:31 PM
Jul 2020

... "free speech issue". If there was, I guarantee you it wouldn't be used against Rush Limbaugh. It would be used against us.

Response to James48 (Original post)

mtngirl47

(987 posts)
5. Not this time---he was killed (don't know if he was white or black)
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jul 2020
Police later located the unmasked suspect at his home and the unmasked man then attempted to stab a deputy. The deputy then shot and killed the unmasked suspect.

AZ8theist

(5,409 posts)
29. Me too. I'm OK with what occurred.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jul 2020

If you watch the video, the suspect is pulled over. Gets out of his car and approaches the officer. Then he engages in an assault. The officer is backing away when the suspect is shot.

I am absolutely HORRIFIED at police brutality in the country, but sorry, that shooting was completely justified. The moron got what was coming to him.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
6. There is no white male murderer. The store owner was not killed. The knife wielding Hispanic man
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jul 2020

it appears was killed by a female officer when they tracked him down.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
7. Do not interact with people not wearing masks, report them, stay as far away as possible
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jul 2020

if they bother you go to the nearest worker to call police. Some may be idiot tRumpsters but some may have serious mental illness

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
11. When I see one of the Un-Masked's heading my way
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:02 PM
Jul 2020

Down a grocery store aisle, I turn and head the other way. Some look like they enjoy the interaction.

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
18. I try to not even look at them
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jul 2020

keep my head straight and keep my distance. No common sense = stupidity or mentally ill.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
10. Witness told a different story than the police.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jul 2020

Witness said woman officer chased suspect, then he "heard gunshots". Police report said suspect got out of car and approached officer with a knife.

No more lies. Suspect should have stood trial.

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
23. If a cop can't disable a knife-wielding person without shooting to kill, they shouldn't be a cop.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jul 2020

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
25. Oh give me a freaking break.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jul 2020

Knife is a deadly weapon. If you think you can wrestle with guy armed with a knife, who already stabbed someone, go right ahead.
Most people, including cops, would prefer not to.

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
27. "would prefer not to"
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jul 2020

Yeah, it's just so much easier to just blow the guy away. Won't even break a sweat!!111! Maybe you're unaware of this but most cops are issued batons and, if they're trained properly (something a lot of departments ignore,) it's very easy to disable a person with a knife using only the baton. Fictional TV and movies aren't reality, you know.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
28. Like I said, if somebody attacks you with a knife, you are welcome to do whatever.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jul 2020

To bad 77 year old he stabbed didn't manage some ninja moves.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,266 posts)
33. " it's very easy to disable a person with a knife using only the baton"
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:04 PM
Jul 2020

and yet, after that, you claim "Fictional TV and movies aren't reality, you know."

I'm sure this is why there's that well-known saying "never bring a knife to a baton fight".

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
40. Are you goddamn serious??!
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jul 2020

Did you even watch the bodycam footage?? Jesus Christ, Demolition Man isn't a documentary!

Cha

(296,848 posts)
42. Wow.. suicide by cop.. all bc of not wanting to
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:56 AM
Jul 2020

wear a mask.

I wasn't going to watch but braced myself..

TY, ansible

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
45. Knife defense only works if an amateur attacks from above.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 04:12 AM
Jul 2020

If the attacker holds the knife low and attacks from below, there is no good defense. I watched the video. That was as clean of a shoot as they get. He got so close that I'm surprised she didn't get stabbed. I think the vest was what stopped it.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
26. Foot? Why not a pinkie finger? When somebody with a knife is after you, you shoot them in a foot.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jul 2020

Then tell us how it went.

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
30. The foot? That would hurt.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jul 2020

She could have shot the blade of the knife and knocked it out of his hand. I saw the Lone Ranger do that once.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
35. She tried to shoot the knife out of his hand but it didn't work.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:33 PM
Jul 2020

But seriously, she screamed at him to drop the weapon, and he run at her with a knife and a screwdriver. Even her shooting at him multiple times didn't stop him at first.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
39. That right there is some Hollywood-level nonsense.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 06:36 PM
Jul 2020

It cracks me up when someone trots out the "well, they could've shot the gun out of his hand" or "they could have shot him in the leg." That trick-shot stuff is Hollywood nonsense and attempting it would be profoundly stupid. Just about anyone who trains to use a gun is trained to aim for center mass, as that's the largest and easiest target to hit. No one trains to shoot feet or shoot weapons out of someone's hands. Leave that Annie Oakley garbage in movies where it belongs.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
51. She shot the guy several times right in the chest, he kept coming.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 08:10 AM
Jul 2020

There's a reason we call it "Hollywood vs. reality".

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,475 posts)
52. re: "...shot him in the foot."
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 08:50 AM
Jul 2020

"He would have dropped the knife then." I have known cops, Marine MPs and competitive pistol marksmen who wouldn't be rolling the dice on that.


In most jurisdictions that would also be illegal. Most states have laws and court precedents favoring the following:
-A deadly weapon may be drawn only in the face of imminent threat of death or serious harm.
-If you need to fire a gun in self defense, you should be shooting to kill.
-Warning shots, shooting to wound, etc are all evidence supporting that you were not in fear for life and were not justified in shooting at all.


Very few people have the skill required to hit a small moving target within a few seconds even when not hopped on adrenaline as they would be when being attacked with a knife.


Additional details: I support BLM. I support ending the death penalty. I support keeping violent felons in prison until their 6' trips straight down are complete.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,266 posts)
21. There's both police bodycam and a separate house video at the link now
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:31 PM
Jul 2020

The police description seems accurate - the dead man has a knife in one hand, screwdriver in the other, and advanced on the police officer (he got out of his car and approached her as soon as he pulled over). She told him repeatedly to drop the weapon, he didn't, and got within inches of her before she fired. He had no intention of standing trial, and I don't think the officer was left with any choice.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
31. I had not seen the video when I posted. I was only going by the article, which had two different
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jul 2020

stories on how it went down. I was basing my post on that. If a separate witness says that it happened one way, and a cop report says it happened a different way, I say maybe nobody needs to shoot until we know what happened. This might be a "good shooting". We've seen a whole helluvalot of them lately that weren't.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
34. There is a video linked in the article.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jul 2020

He run at her with a knife in one hand and a screwdriver in the other.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
41. It seems like suicide by cop.. after he stabbed
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:45 AM
Jul 2020

the 77 year old customer, who was wearing a mask, in the Quality Dairy store.

Over a damn MASK! My god! Hope the 77 year old guy pulls through!

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
22. Hah?
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jul 2020

Sounds like woman officer didn't manage to shoot him, he got into his car and drove until another cop stopped him.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
43. video from a house camera shows the knife guy attacked.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 04:00 AM
Jul 2020



There are bad shootings, but I don't see this as one at all. She was being chased by this guy and he kept trying to use his weapons even after being shot.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
48. Critical condition in the hospital.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:01 AM
Jul 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-man-refused-service-not-wearing-mask-stabs-customer-fatally-n1233810
(Very clear police woman's body camera video at link.)

Michigan man refused service for not wearing mask stabs customer, is fatally shot by deputy

A squabble over coronavirus safeguards at a convenience store in Delta Township ends with the stabbing of a 77-year-old man and the death of Sean Ernest Ruis.

July 14, 2020, 3:01 PM CDT / Updated July 14, 2020, 11:15 PM CDT
By David K. Li

A Michigan man refused service for not wearing a mask amid the coronavirus pandemic early Tuesday morning stabbed another customer before he was shot to death by a sheriff's deputy, police said.

Sean Ernest Ruis, 43, walked into Quality Dairy in Windsor Township — just outside Lansing and 100 miles west of Detroit — at about 6:45 a.m. without wearing a mask.

A 77-year-old customer asked Ruis to cover his face and the store refused service before asking him to leave, Michigan State Police said in a statement. He then stabbed that customer who asked him to put on a mask, authorities said.

Police issued an alert with a description of Ruis' car and his license plate number, authorities said. A short time later, an Eaton County Sheriff's deputy pulled over Ruis on a residential street in neighboring Delta Township at 7:13 a.m., leading to the brief, fatal encounter, official said.

"The suspect immediately exits his vehicle and walks towards the deputy with a knife in hand to attack the deputy," according to a statement from state police. "The deputy attempted to increase distance by backing up and subsequently shot and injured the suspect. The suspect was transported to a local hospital and died during surgery."

More:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-man-refused-service-not-wearing-mask-stabs-customer-fatally-n1233810

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
49. Here's a still photo taken from the police woman's body cam video, showing how close he was:
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:13 AM
Jul 2020


MDOT employee killed by police after mask dispute at Lansing-area store
Beth LeBlanc, The Detroit NewsPublished 11:49 a.m. ET July 14, 2020 | Updated 7:19 p.m. ET July 14, 2020

Story:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/14/man-killed-police-mask-dispute-lansing-area-store/112234476/


Looks exactly as if he intended to kill her.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
50. Found a Fox article, saying "Suspect shot to death who attacked deputy had 2 knives, screwdriver"
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:31 AM
Jul 2020

Suspect shot to death who attacked deputy had 2 knives, screwdriver after stabbing man over wearing mask
Published 11 hours ago Updated 9 hours ago Michigan FOX 2 Detroit

. . .


" (Ruis) stabbed the individual inside the Quality Dairy store," Reich said. "That individual was a 77-year-old man."

Ruis then got in his car and drove toward Delta Township but Eaton County Sheriff's Deputies were hot on his trail and, at about 7:13 Tuesday morning, a traffic stop was made.

"The suspect immediately gets out of the car and attacks the deputy with that knife," said Lt. Brian Oleksyk, Michigan State Police.

That deputy, a 22-year veteran with Eaton County, retreats but Ruis came after her with two knives and a screwdriver.

"She defends herself from being attacked with that knife and she shoots the suspect," said Oleksyk.

More:
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/suspect-shot-to-death-who-attacked-deputy-had-2-knives-screwdriver-after-stabbing-man-over-wearing-mask


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