Fire destroys much of 249-year-old church in California
Source: AP
By MARCIO SANCHEZ and DAISY NGUYEN
SAN GABRIEL, Calif. (AP) A fire early Saturday destroyed the rooftop and most of the interior of a Catholic church in California that was undergoing renovation to mark its upcoming 250th anniversary celebration.
Fire alarms at the San Gabriel Mission rang around 4 a.m., and when firefighters arrived they saw smoke rising from the wooden rooftop in one corner of the historic structure, San Gabriel Fire Capt. Paul Negrete said.
He said firefighters entered the church and tried to beat back the flames, but they had to retreat when roofing and other structural materials began to fall, Negrete said.
We were trying to fight it from the inside, we werent able to because it became unsafe, he said.
After evacuating the church, the crew was joined by up to 50 firefighters who tried to douse water on the 50-foot-high structure from ladder trucks, he said.
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niyad
(113,776 posts)serra, and now one of them is destroyed by fire.
I just hope that nobody was hurt.
BigmanPigman
(51,649 posts)"California was one of the last areas of the New World to be colonized. It wasnt until 1769 that the first mission, Mission San Diego de Alcalá, was built in California at present-day San Diego. It was the first of 21 missions, which would become the primary means for the Spaniards to subjugate the natives. The leader of this effort was Franciscan friar Junípero Serra.
Despite whatever the movies portray, the missions were coercive religious, forced labor camps. Through bribes, military intimidation, and the eventual onslaught of European diseases (that usually targeted children), the colonizers ensured that eventually sick and desperate indians would come to the missions for help. Thats not to say that they intentionally spread diseases, but there was a consistent, two century long pattern.
The indians that wound up there had their children taken from them, and harsh, manual labor was the rule. Beatings and filthy living conditions were common. The death rate at the missions was appalling. By 1818 the percentage of Indians who died in the missions reached 86 percent. Over 81,000 indian converts eventually managed to successfully flee the missions.
Soon there were indian revolts.
The San Diego Mission was burnt down in 1775 during the Kumeyaay rebellion. Mohave Indians destroyed two mission in a dramatic revolt in 1781. Military efforts to punish these indians..."
https://obrag.org/2020/07/238948/
niyad
(113,776 posts)too concerned about the rather inconvenient little facts.
marybourg
(12,648 posts)years ago on the Santa Ana Pueblo in N.M.. After some dancing, the puebloans approached the pueblo church in a body. One elder stood in front of the church door and exhorted the puebloans to come inside. They stood respectfully, listening to him for a few minutes, then as one, they turned their back on him and walked away.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)So it was undergoing renovation, like Notre Dame in Paris. That's when historic structures are at their most vulnerable. But wooden structures are always vulnerable. Fortunately no one was hurt and firefighters managed to save the altar which was imported from Spain in the 18th century. Still, it's a big loss for the community.
bucolic_frolic
(43,443 posts)Xolodno
(6,410 posts)Its not an insurance company per se, but a collection of insurance companies, MGA's, etc. that collectively insure the risk, but should it go south, no one take a big hit to their bottom line.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...because it doesn't take much imagination to see those on the right deciding it was arson by "leftists," and just another step in the slippery slope that began with tearing down Confederate monuments. Just like there were those, immediately after the Notre-Dame fire, who claimed it had to have been the work of Islamic terrorists.
demosincebirth
(12,550 posts)Hope they can restore it.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...but don't know if they'll be able to get it done in time for the anniversary next year.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The same with European cathedrals. You can't tell by looking at them now but some were bombed to smithereens in WWII, including Rouen, the one Monet painted obsessively. It looks exactly like it did when he painted it, inside and out, but it has displays inside showing the stages of restoration. It was basically destroyed. All the relics, most of the art objects and much of the filigree had been removed and hidden by townspeople, which helped.
ETA: a couple of towns weren't so lucky and rebuilt their cathedrals in the International style of the day. They are hideous eyesores and I bet dollars to donuts some future generation will replace them with replicas of the originals.
ansible
(1,718 posts)Honestly wouldn't be surprised if arson was involved.
denbot
(9,901 posts)It was a beautiful place for a wedding.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Unfortunately the marriage only lasted about 10 yrs. - 2 sons.
Our family came from Ohio, and the church was a lovely setting for the wedding, as are all the remaining CA mission churches that I've seen over the years.
denbot
(9,901 posts)We are of Native American stock. The mission system was one of subjugation, but that is another topic altogether.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There were other elements of the mission complexes, many still standing, including refectories and farm buildings, and some church structures were used for other purposes before being restored, but they were always churches.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and your post has nothing to do with anything I said.
denbot
(9,901 posts)Or did that escape you???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_San_Gabriel_Arc%C3%A1ngel
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Good night.
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demosincebirth
(12,550 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and it is currently closed: "Mission San Gabriel Arcángel Church welcomes you to our parish community." Mission San Gabriel includes the church, a chapel, two schools, a museum, a cemetery, and a garden:
https://parish.sangabrielmissionchurch.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=170487&type=d&pREC_ID=368512
Retrograde
(10,175 posts)that included farmlands, workshops, gardens, orchards, housing, cemeteries - as well as churches. They were intended to be self-sufficient communities, and far away from the profane influences of the presidios. Almost all of them were "secularized" (i.e, given as plums to important supporters) when Mexico declared independence in 1833, and left to deteriorate (adobe walls and rainfall do not mix well (ok, actually they do, producing a lot of mud)). What we see today are largely restorations, with greatly reduced lands. Mission Santa Barbara was one of the few that wasn't secularized: some like Mission Santa Cruz were almost completely destroyed. Fun fact: Abraham Lincoln signed the law that returned the mission lands to the Catholic Church.
I visited Mission San Miguel last year: while most of the original grave markers in its cemetery are lost (surviving records list who was buried, but not exactly where: wooden grave markers didn't survive long), it's still being used for modern burials. Most of the graves in Mission Dolores in San Francisco were destroyed after the Gold Rush when the modern city built on top of them. My favorite mission is San Antonio de Padua, literally located in the middle of nowhere on an army base.
Demovictory9
(32,489 posts)Yeehah
(4,599 posts)This is an awful loss.
Raine
(30,541 posts)that's the grade when school kids start learning about how the missions were so large a part of Californias history. It was a real eye opener, I'll never forget the mass unmarked graves the Native Americans were dumped into. Still I feel sad about the fire destroying so much of it.