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Tue Jul 7, 2020, 07:52 PM

Top general has doubts Russian bounty program killed US troops in Afghanistan

Source: ABC News

The top U.S. general in the Middle East said Tuesday he was aware of the intelligence of a Russian bounty program targeting U.S. troops in Afghanistan, but while he said he found it “worrisome,” he said he did not believe it was tied to actual U.S. military deaths on the battlefield.

“I found it very worrisome, I just didn't find that there was a causative link there," Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the commander of U.S. Central Command, said in an interview with a small number of reporters.

‘The intel (intelligence) case wasn't proved to me -- it wasn't proved enough that I'd take it to a court of law -- and you know that's often true in battlefield intelligence,” said McKenzie.

“You see a lot of indicators, many of them are troubling many of them you act on. But, but in this case there just there wasn't enough there I sent the intelligence guys back to continue to dig on it, and I believe they're continuing to dig right now, but I just didn't see enough there to tell me that the circuit was closed in that regard.”

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 07:57 PM

1. Well there was money paid and found

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:00 PM

2. Good to know, if true. But still, McKenzie acted upon the intelligence, and sought confirmation. . .

he didn't ignore it out of hand. And he believes the search is ongoing, so in his mind there's at least the possibility it may be true, at least enough of a possibility to continue looking. More than can be said for his "commander in chief."

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:22 PM

12. Agree

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:01 PM

3. That is one way to get a promotion during this administration

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:23 PM

8. Yep

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:06 PM

4. It doesn't matter what you think, the program existed, the orange nazi loved him some putin

that has been proven.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:06 PM

5. That is Sort of Like Dubya Waiting Until Planes Crash Into The Twin Towers...

...before taking action against Osama bin Ladin, which is what Dubya did when he ignored intelligence reports until after we were attacked.

Oh well, if he said otherwise, he would be a former general.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:43 PM

9. LIHOP

or MIHOP?

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:04 PM

11. no, just an incompetent lazy dumbass who should never have been president

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:55 PM

13. Politico: What the CIA knew before 9/11: New details

It is not exactly controversial that Dubya ignored warnings of a planned terrorist attack. This is like denying that Trump ignored warnings of the growing COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming.

By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10. The critical meeting that took place that day was first reported by Bob Woodward in 2006. Tenet also wrote about it in general terms in his 2007 memoir At the Center of the Storm.

But neither he nor Black has spoken about it publicly until now—or supplied so much detail about how specific and pressing the warnings really were. Over the past eight months, in more than a hundred hours of interviews, I talked with Tenet and the 11 other living former CIA directors for The Spymasters, a documentary set to air this month on Showtime.

The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’” (Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.) Black, a charismatic ex-operative who had helped the French arrest the terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal, says the Bush team just didn’t get the new threat: “I think they were mentally stuck back eight years [before]. They were used to terrorists being Euro-lefties—they drink champagne by night, blow things up during the day, how bad can this be? And it was a very difficult sell to communicate the urgency to this.”

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:34 AM

16. I do not see a specific warning in this...

... actually the opposite. According to his Secretary of State, this Presidential Daily Brief was a response to the president's own questions whether something new might be planned by Al Qaida. The answer from CIA was historical information based on years old reporting. There was no new threat information. There was nothing in the memo suggesting that an attack was actually coming.
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf

For me it has always been more interesting what happened in the days after the attack. NATO suggesting a joint answer, and the US rejecting. The attack on Afghanistan and the ongoing alliances with Saudi Arabia etc...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:06 PM

6. Fecking Apologist for Trump, IMO.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:20 PM

7. It certainly didn't result in mass killings, and we've done much the same,

even helping Afghans against Russia.

trump still should have taken some action, if only to tell his buddy to knock it off.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 08:53 PM

10. Kissing ass is hard!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:14 PM

14. Westmoreland had doubts the NVA could launch an offensive in 1969

Just another lying general.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2020, 05:14 AM

15. trump lackie

And when did he assume the position(?) well let's see March 28, 2019, another trump supporter?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2020, 03:40 PM

17. I would tend to agree with the general's assessment. The Taliban fight for ideological and

religious reasons, not for money. The Stingers we gave the mujahideen probably killed far more Russians than Americans killed for bounty money. That said, Trump had an obligation to respond to the intelligence with action of one sort or another.

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