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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:00 AM Jul 2020

Federal judge orders Dakota Access Pipeline shut down

Source: Bismarck Tribune

A federal judge has ordered the shutdown of the Dakota Access Pipeline while a lengthy environmental review is conducted of the project opposed by environmentalists and American Indian tribes.

The move was requested earlier by four Sioux tribes in the Dakotas who fear environmental harm from the pipeline and sued over the project four years ago. North Dakota officials have said such a move would have "significant disruptive consequences" for the state, whose oil patch has been hit hard in recent months by falling demand for crude amid the coronavirus pandemic, as well as a price war between Russia and Saudi Arabia.

The $3.8 billion pipeline built by Energy Transfer subsidiary Dakota Access LLC has been moving North Dakota oil to a shipping point in Illinois for three years. But U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, who is overseeing the lawsuit, in March ordered the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to complete a full Environmental Impact Statement. The question of whether the pipeline would be shut down in the meantime has lingered since.

An EIS is a much more stringent review than the Environmental Assessment the Corps completed earlier. Such a study can take up to two years to complete, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.



Read more: https://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/federal-judge-orders-dakota-access-pipeline-shut-down/article_2cc387a3-f003-5557-b356-4063123a62ad.html





(on edit: changed source from trade publication to newspaper)


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Federal judge orders Dakota Access Pipeline shut down (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jul 2020 OP
YAY!! Bayard Jul 2020 #1
The Atlantic pipeline True Blue American Jul 2020 #2
Thanks for some good news lunasun Jul 2020 #3
i expect this will be overturned on appeal quickly rdking647 Jul 2020 #4
This is not an NG pipeline... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #5
im aware tha DAPL is oil rdking647 Jul 2020 #6
Well... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #7
What you missed is that this pipeline along with others was not built safely, nor in compliance with Ford_Prefect Jul 2020 #8
i disagree its not a safe pipeline rdking647 Jul 2020 #10
Past performance of the company running it and the suit itself state otherwise. Ford_Prefect Jul 2020 #11
YOU are sooo WRONG bluestarone Jul 2020 #13
The ACP concept was an unmitigated nightmare Yeehah Jul 2020 #9
wood mackenzie an independent enery consultant disagrees rdking647 Jul 2020 #14
That's nice Yeehah Jul 2020 #16
which would you rather use for fueling power plants coal or nat gas rdking647 Jul 2020 #17
LOL! Because those are the only two choices. Yeehah Jul 2020 #18
Finally some good news! StarryNite Jul 2020 #12
energy prices in the midwest are goign to rise rdking647 Jul 2020 #15
 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
4. i expect this will be overturned on appeal quickly
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:28 AM
Jul 2020

and if its not I have a coupe of questions

1) DAPL ships 40% of the oil from north dakota. the shutdown will have a huge impact on ND and other states. what do you say to the poepl who lose their jobs.

2) we need piplines. like it or not we are still tied to oil and gas for energy. If we cant ship the fuel that could lead to shortages. i know in new york people are having trouble getting new gas hookups since theres a shortage of gas supply pipelines

3) what do you replace nat gas with for things like heating in winter. heating with electricity is MUCH more expensive than nat gas. 3x as expensive. and if you switch to electric you still need fossil fuels ot produce it. nat gas or coal are 60% of us electric production


2naSalit

(86,780 posts)
5. This is not an NG pipeline...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jul 2020

this is shit oil that should stay in the ground. There is a current glut of oil right now and no place to store the shit. Different commodity than you are thinking about.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
6. im aware tha DAPL is oil
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jul 2020

but between this order and the atlantic coast pipeline being abandoned due to opposition there is a war on pipelines.

theres an oil glut right now but that is going to quickly diminish (a matter of month to a year).
we still need oil. that just a fact of life. how much are you willing to pay for gasoline. thats the real question. oil right now is $40 a barrel. at that price US production will crater leading to a big spike in prices. gas which is now $2 or so a gallon will probably spike to closer to $3 in 9-12 months especially as demand picks up.

2naSalit

(86,780 posts)
7. Well...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:50 AM
Jul 2020

Considering that prior to the glut I was already paying $3.20/gal... ?

We need to wean ourselves off of the stuff, much like crack, there will be vehement opposition.

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
8. What you missed is that this pipeline along with others was not built safely, nor in compliance with
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jul 2020

established environmental rules. We cannot presently operate without pipelines but that is no reason to allow bad ones to operate nor to build new ones improperly either as to function or to location.

The oil patch boom in ND is entirely based on Fracking and will run its course in 5 years or so. After a certain point, it becomes much more expensive and difficult to get the oil out of the existing wells. More chemicals and steam need to be pumped into the earth to release it.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
10. i disagree its not a safe pipeline
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jul 2020

a company has no real incentive to build an unsafe pipeline.

if the pipeline ruptures the damage claims would cost the company multiple times whatever extra cost there is to building it properly

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
11. Past performance of the company running it and the suit itself state otherwise.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jul 2020

Oil companies figured out long ago that it was much more cost-effective to defend a failure of any scale. They have been ruthless in exploiting any opportunity. They make far more money per minute, even at today's prices, than you can imagine.

You underestimate the savings to the company on build costs and how effectively it can distance itself from any liability versus earnings and depreciation. This is also about how the route of the pipeline was determined.
You cannot replace a poisoned aquafer with cash, nor can you un-pollute the soil and what grows there. Nor can you replace sacred lands with other property, or cash.

Yeehah

(4,594 posts)
9. The ACP concept was an unmitigated nightmare
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jul 2020

The opponents are the good guys.

Dominion's ultimate plan was to EXPORT natural gas. All the "energy needs of the Southeast" is a bunch of bullshit. Just like the Ruby pipeline out West -- the developers screeched "energy needs of the Northwest" and after the pipeline was in the ground, applied for export. Dominion was playing the same game.

There is no need for TWO gigantic natural gas pipelines serving the Southeast. The Mountain Valley pipeline project, which seems to me less environmentally hazardous, is moving forward.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
14. wood mackenzie an independent enery consultant disagrees
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jul 2020

they said the real losers from the cancellation would be power consumers in the U.S. Southeast, including units of Duke, Dominion and Southern Co that will need to find other gas supplies to fuel the region's coal-to-gas switching efforts.


 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
17. which would you rather use for fueling power plants coal or nat gas
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jul 2020

and im not talking about in the future. i mean in the year or 2

Yeehah

(4,594 posts)
18. LOL! Because those are the only two choices.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jul 2020

Are you unaware the Mountain Valley pipeline is under construction?

The southeast will have all the nat gas they need w/o the ACP.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
15. energy prices in the midwest are goign to rise
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jul 2020

“There could be a big problem in the Chicago market,” said Sandy Fielden, director of oil and products research at Morningstar in Austin, Texas.

“Refiners having to pay more because they’re scrambling to find crude will translate into higher products prices.”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pipeline-energy-transfer-refiners-idUSKBN2472X5

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