Whipping post removed from outside Sussex County (DE) Courthouse
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GEORGETOWN, Delaware (WPVI) -- An eight-foot tall whipping post has been removed from outside the Sussex County Courthouse in Georgetown, Delaware. The Division of Historical and Cultural Affairs (HCA) said the post had been used to bind and whip people for crimes up until 1952, with African Americans being punished disproportionately.
The post was removed Wednesday morning after an hour and a half of excavation.
UPDATE: After an hour and a half of excavation, the whipping post has been removed from the Sussex County Courthouse in Georgetown, Delaware. https://t.co/6DjNMEpcoU pic.twitter.com/Cr5iYJ8Ql9
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It was being moved to an HCA storage facility. "It is appropriate for an item like this to be preserved in the state's collections, so that future generations may view it and attempt to understand the full context of its historical significance," said HCA Director Tim Slavin. "It's quite another thing to allow a whipping post to remain in place along a busy public street - a cold, deadpan display that does not adequately account for the traumatic legacy it represents, and that still reverberates among communities of color in our state."
The HCA said they will work with historians, educators and leaders of the African American community in Delaware to explore plans for future display of the post in a museum setting, where it can be properly contextualized and interpreted. Delaware was the last state to abolish the whipping post, removing the penalty from state law in 1972.The removal of the last standing whipping post in the nation comes as calls for other statues and monuments being taken down across the country.
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An eight-foot tall whipping post will no longer be displayed at the Sussex County Courthouse in Georgetown, Delaware.
Whipping post to be removed from outside Sussex County Courthouse
Officials said the post had been used to bind and whip people for crimes up until 1952, with African Americans being punished disproportionately.
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UPDATE: After an hour and a half of excavation, the whipping post has been removed from the Sussex County Courthouse in Georgetown, Delaware. https://6abc.cm/2YQIYdy
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There was a Change.org petition to do this as well - https://www.change.org/p/georgetown-mayor-bill-west-demolish-delaware-s-sussex-county-whipping-post
(from 1878)
still_one
(92,061 posts)The death camps during the holocaust stand as a memorial for the evil that was done there, in hopes that it will never happen again
In contrast this is not like the confederate statues that are there to celebrate people who believed in owning other people, and leaving the union to propagate those views. The only heritage they represent is a heritage of racism and bigotry, and are not worthy of any honor or celebration
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Next they will take down Auschwitz.
Removing ugly history is clearing the path for a repeat.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)is because it is a painful reminder to those WHO were almost always subjected to that type of corporal punishment. I.e., the same people over and over and over who today march because they have had ENOUGH.
It's not "erasing history".
It continues to be taught, for example, that death penalties meted out from around the nation before the current "lethal injection", revolved around hangings, electric chairs, gas chambers (cyanide), and firing squad. Those that involved devices that are no longer used have generally meant they were dismantled and relegated to storage or museums, but those actions have not been forgotten.
Karma13612
(4,544 posts)cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)that people can inflict on others to get them to pull their heads out of their ass.
Mind you it does not work for everyone as I am sure most Trump supporters would be immune.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)But for those who were young when it was still in use and witnessed any of the public "floggings", it might, as noted by another poster, cause them and others today, to get memory triggered by that (including having been beaten themselves).
It's a worse offshoot of the "stockade", many of which I expect are still around (e.g., Colonial Williamsburg, VA, which itself is set up as an entire "historic park" with staff who dress in period costumes, where they have a stockade on display but within the "context" of its surroundings) -
If we as a nation complain about "torture" (meted out by our own MIC), then why continue to highlight other means of that completely out of context to the current dysfunctional system of punishment?
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)it is highlighted within the context of Colonial Williamsburg, where that punishment was during the colonial era.
However with this whipping post, it was still being used during modern times and sits in front of a courthouse without context except for being a reminder of subjugation. The Change.org petition pretty much summarizes the issue -
In 1947, Robert Caldwell, a University of Delaware sociologist, wrote that between 1900 and 1945 a total of 1,604 whippings were administered by law in Delaware. At least 66% of those publicly punished were Black men. Women were also victims of this brutality, and for a period prior to 1889, in addition to men, only Black women were flogged.
There is no doubt that this inhumane punishment was racially charged.
https://www.change.org/p/georgetown-mayor-bill-west-demolish-delaware-s-sussex-county-whipping-post
All it does is remind people of things like this -
or these types of public spectacles -
There are some things that you have to let go until we have healed and then bring them out again in context and in the appropriate venue...
still_one
(92,061 posts)the holocaust
Sometimes making people feel uncomfortable is important so they never forget
Otherwise in my view, it can have the unintentional effect to make something seem less unpleasant
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)is attempting to compare atrocities committed by humankind against various groups over the millennia. Doing so only causes more pain because it devolves into a "competition". The targeting of Jews around Europe throughout history, the Middle Passage suffered by enslaved Africans across the Atlantic, the wars of aggression to gain territory against Indigenous peoples in the Caribbean and the Americas, the civil and religious wars that resulted in genocide, ethnic and religious cleansing in countries across Africa like Rwanda or Sudan - it should be accepted that inhumanity exists and will continue to exist for all time because other than something like COVID-19 that can take us ALL down, humans have no consistent predators, and tend to "self-thin" populations throughout our existence on earth.
With the United States being comprised of people from around the world, it becomes very difficult to determine what to teach because nearly all the world's cultures live here and demand learning about what happened to their people in the countries that they came from.
However the history of the United States itself and its own atrocities, needs to be dealt with, and in a way that doesn't continue to cause more pain to those who suffered and continue to suffer as a result of those atrocities.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Anyone who wants to realize history has access to millions (literally) of books about (natch) history available to them.
Are there objective and relevant instances of the premise you put forward? Or are you merely projecting your own experience?
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MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Like people read.
People deny the Shoa today. They'd get traction if the camps didn't exist.
You take down the whipping post and someday Disney's "Song of the South" will become the official approved history.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)That is what is at Auschwitz
http://auschwitz.org/en/visiting/permanent-exhibition/
The exhibition opened in 1955 remains one of the main elements in visits to the site, along with areas featuring original or partly reconstructed objects. Aside from documentary photographs, photocopies of documents, models, and sculptures, it also used historical exhibits including prisoner garments, bunks and other furnishings from prisoner rooms, and items seized from Jewish deportees. It is located in blocks 4, 5, 6, 7, and 11 at the Auschwitz main camp site.
Only if there is sufficient education, can these brutal monuments be allowed on our streets.
iluvtennis
(19,835 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)is that the "facility" itself becomes a "historic museum in situ", with the "context' fairly obvious all around it.
Right here in Philly, the notorious Eastern State Penitentiary still stands and remains for tours and for Halloween events -
And that facility also represented some of the worst types of psychological horror inflicted on inmates in the criminal justice system here.
In contrast, this whipping post is sitting on a public street and serves no purpose other than to reaffirm an archaic practice of the "justice system" that persisted up until the '50s in the state of Delaware, that was inflicted on POC more than any other.
The same argument has been made about the Confederate (battle) flag(s). It's "history" so why "erase it" by removing it/them?
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)It sat there with no purpose ... other than to remind people that it remained
Eta ..
The confederate flag ... should have carried the message ... through reproduction ... that it was a flag of secession against the United States and stood for racism and bigotry... on every remake of it ... any original flags should have become exhibits in museums with the same information
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)But now they have to approve a new design and remove the vestiges of the vileness that came in the aftermath of the Confederate loss of the Civil War, but it will take time.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I think there are better and lest traumatic ways to remember this as a part of our history.
still_one
(92,061 posts)I grew up in the Iowa in the sixties, and I saw a lot of anti-semitism and bigotry there, where some just wished those Jews would just go away.
I recall riding in a neighbors car, and the movie Judgement at Nuremberg was being discussed by the adults in the front seat, and how they were disgusted by the Jews always bringing up the concentrate camps, and why couldnt they just move on
Making something "less traumatic", is another way diminishing the horror of it
There are all kinds of examples where people don't want to be reminded of "unpleasant things in history", or where they put it in a light where it doesn't seem quite bad.
A statue of a confederate general who believed in slavery, and secession from the union, whitewashes their ideology, and effectively is a distortion and a rewriting of history, and why the statue need to be removed.
There is no way to portray a "whipping post" in a good light
However, with that being said, it is the people in that community to determine what should be done
Merlot
(9,696 posts)could be more traumatizing. Are we supposed to ignore their feelings so that those of us who aren't traumatized don't "forget?" Of course not. There are better ways of remembering history.
still_one
(92,061 posts)burrowowl
(17,632 posts)ECSkeptic
(62 posts)...because the intent and context of that public monument is completely different from Confederate monuments.
The whipping post was left standing as a reminder of evil and systemic injustice, hopefully to spur people to be better and demand justice in their community. The intent and context of nearly all Confederate monuments was to intimidate African-Americans and engender feelings of white supremacy (and to cover up treason and shame in the fact that the Confederacy ultimately lost).
We wouldn't bulldoze Auschwitz, would we?
poli-junkie
(998 posts)Karma13612
(4,544 posts)Punishment, this is a trigger.
Doesnt matter if you are white, black, brown, green, spanked, belted, lynched, slapped, punched by an authority figure,
This type of monument is a trigger.
I was punished as a child and just looking at it fills me with dread. It takes hours for me to get beyond it once the thought cycle starts.
Seeing the article title, its like I cant look away. So I read, see and then need to repair all over again.
Sorry, just my two cents.
Glad it is coming down.
Backseat Driver
(4,381 posts)in the Chicago Tribune about a letter he received from a reader advocating the return of public stockades for non-violent adult and teen offenders?
You can read it here - https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-06-05-8502050395-story.html
It's pretty clear that humiliation isn't going to work any better than incarceration...what will work to encourage peaceful and content communities except cleaning up the excesses of injustice that tempt and corrupt kids - the hunger, the abuse; extreme social and school angst about competition and/or relationships; but for adults - what?
It's noble to forgive those that trespass against you, your family, your friend(s), but doesn't it sometimes amount to the level of an injustice against the "rule of law," a non-monetary consequence for non-violent criminal behaviors that count on meaningful repentence or karma? Fines seem only just punishment when there is some sacrifice or challenge to pay. Community service? Publicly accessible databases? So much for corporate "personhood" rehabilitations that quickly recover their reputations and income to move on to other covert corruption against their clients, customers, personnel, and communities. Is it enough that they are eventually sometimes their own worst enemy and disappear into bankruptcy or disgrace?
Maeve
(42,271 posts)Was that my father's family left Virginia for the Ohio territory after seeing a slave being whipped in the town's public square. "We are going where that doesn't happen" is the quote. I always took pride in knowing my family moved west from an abhorrence of slavery.
It was only much later that I realized that is a story of white privilege--we could leave for a free state, and we didn't stay and fight the wrongs we knew were happening. Well, not then...at least three of the grandsons of the one who left for Ohio (including my great-grandfather) did fight for the North in the Civil War.
Still a story of family pride, but one touched with caution of exactly what to be proud of.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)I am just shocked that over a century's worth of divisive stuff has been or is being removed and hope springs eternal that it will one day be replaced with something that truly underscores E Pluribus Unum.