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Omaha Steve

(99,079 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:35 PM Jun 2020

K-State players announce boycott after student's Floyd tweet

Source: AP

MANHATTAN, Kan. (AP) — Kansas State football players say they will boycott all team activities until administrators create a policy that would allow a student to be expelled for “openly racist, threatening or disrespectful actions.”

The move that most players announced Saturday on social media follows a tweet by a student about the death of George Floyd that prompted outrage on campus.

“We are demanding that Kansas State University put a policy in place that allows a student to be dismissed for displaying openly racist, threatening or disrespectful actions toward a student or groups of students,” the players said in the letter they posted. “We have resolved that we cannot play, practice or meet until these demands are heard and actions taken. We love Kansas State, but we must stand together and protect all students moving forward.”

On Thursday, one month after Floyd, a Black man, died after a white Minneapolis police officer pressed his knee on his neck for nearly eight minutes, student Jaden McNeil tweeted, “Congratulations to George Floyd on being drug free for an entire month!”

Read more: https://apnews.com/e6f4ca14d711b1633ff2f4951c63d6ec

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K-State players announce boycott after student's Floyd tweet (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2020 OP
So we ARE in Kansas underpants Jun 2020 #1
Bravo to the football players! scarletwoman Jun 2020 #2
The McNeil family must be incredibly proud of Jaden. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2020 #3
The McNeil family is where this "sense of humor" came from. PSPS Jun 2020 #4
Well, Jaden's now getting to experience... regnaD kciN Jun 2020 #9
Can you imagine the non-stop "fuck you" looks? Iggo Jun 2020 #12
Good for them! ibegurpard Jun 2020 #5
+1 jpak Jun 2020 #11
they can also get the team broadcasts off 2 racist limbaugh stations certainot Jun 2020 #6
eggscllent AllaN01Bear Jun 2020 #7
Fight the good fight, men! Karadeniz Jun 2020 #8
I have to disagree. howardmappel Jun 2020 #10
Welcome to DU. You're right. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #13
A university is not a "government" entity. Universities take all sorts of stands on issues. not_the_one Jun 2020 #15
You might want to look that up. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #20
Yes it is WestCoastYellowDog Jul 2020 #32
My God! NO ONE is "censoring" his free speech!! maxrandb Jun 2020 #21
I'm sorry. You're wrong on this one. Aristus Jun 2020 #28
KSU is a state-owned entity. They can't infringe on the free speech rights of students Jose Garcia Jun 2020 #14
This sounds like on of those cases where the ACLU Steelrolled Jun 2020 #17
Bullshit maxrandb Jun 2020 #22
A little primer for you hardluck Jun 2020 #23
Well... Dr. Strange Jun 2020 #24
The ACLU misses the point that some speech is so incendiary maxrandb Jun 2020 #26
Yeah, the "free speech" clause cuts both ways Steelrolled Jun 2020 #27
Thanks for the information, Omaha Steve. This is the first time to hear it, by all means. Judi Lynn Jun 2020 #16
Hate begets hate. He's a product of hate so there you go. Kid looks like the grandson in Knives Out onetexan Jun 2020 #18
Some More Info About This Prick sfstaxprep Jun 2020 #19
A leader among the alt-right larva. NT Progressive Jones Jun 2020 #25
K State won't expel the little bastard dustyscamp Jul 2020 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #30
Advocating violence in response to speech, even abhorrent speech, is itself abhorrent. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #31

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
2. Bravo to the football players!
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jun 2020

As for that horrid tweet - I don't understand how people can be so hateful.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
9. Well, Jaden's now getting to experience...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jun 2020

...knowing that the vast majority of his fellow students and probably almost half of Kansas residents hate his guts. Not because they may not share his racist beliefs, but because they are seeing the possibility of losing their beloved KSU football for at least a year because of him.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
6. they can also get the team broadcasts off 2 racist limbaugh stations
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jun 2020

four limbaugh stations in kansas depend on 3 kansas unis to keep broadcasting sports on them.

from fakenewsradio.org,

Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1

those radio stations are KKK-'lite' - limbaugh is the loudest racist the last 30 years, making excuses for everyone who shoots unarmed black men. all RW blowhards repeat his racism excuses and white privilege denial when he gets a racist 'nugget' to blast out of 1500 coordinated radio stations.

those athletes can insist the school find apolitical radio alternatives and there will be a lot of other schools joining in.

those stations are guaranteed to be howling about statues and will howl about any boycott like this.

howardmappel

(80 posts)
10. I have to disagree.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jun 2020

I support BLM. But I cannot support giving the University, or any governmental entity, the right to penalize someone for hateful speech. As a Jew, I supported the ACLU when it defended the Nazis marching in Skokie, Ill. If we start allowing governmental entities to censor speech, which is what is being proposed here, then we allow Bill Barr and tRump to censor speech or penalize people for speech that they don't like. That is a very quick road to fascism and state control.

Having read some of the comments, I have a couple of other points. I am fine with the players refusing to play as long as the Universities support Limbaugh. There, the University is not stopping Limbaugh from saying what ever he wishes to say, they would just no be providing support for it and withdrawing support is not a penalty that stops him from preaching his bullshit.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
15. A university is not a "government" entity. Universities take all sorts of stands on issues.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jun 2020

If enough of the students don't want to support Limbaugh, they SHOULD pressure the university.

If they are successful Limbaugh is not being censored, he just can't do it under the guise of the university in question.

EVERY university should divorce themselves from Limbaugh.

Fuck football.

Reducing venues that sponsor his trash is not censorship. It is the democratic free market in action.

Yes, anyone can say any damn thing they want. But no one can MAKE us listen to it, nor support it.

Our goal is to apply enough pressure so that no one wants to broadcast his crap. Is THAT censorship?

maxrandb

(15,193 posts)
21. My God! NO ONE is "censoring" his free speech!!
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 08:36 AM
Jun 2020

He's free to say all the disgusting racist shit he wants to.

Hell, he can fucking scream it from a soapbox in Times Square.

What he can't do is assume that his free speech makes him free of consequences.

The black athletes are simply expressing their free speech rights to say this racist hate does NOT come free of backlash.

Here's a suggestion for you. Go into your place of employment and call a black co-worker the "N" word. Then try to claim free speech when they fire your ass.

People seem to think that free speech means free from consequences.

That's simply not true.

It's not the state that would be punishing this guy's speech... it's the university.

I guess by your logic, the university would never be able to hold a student accountable for plagiarism, because the stuff he cut and pasted in his report is his "free speech".

Aristus

(66,097 posts)
28. I'm sorry. You're wrong on this one.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

The university has the right to censor someone fomenting hatred and bigotry. One could even offer the market argument (and what could be more American than that?) that the student's vicious racism could cast the university as a whole in a negative light, causing subsidies and alumni bequests to dry up. The First Amendment only protects citizens from government retribution for spoken or printed comments. And even that is not absolute; there are laws penalizing hate speech.

Jose Garcia

(2,552 posts)
14. KSU is a state-owned entity. They can't infringe on the free speech rights of students
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jun 2020

unless there are threats, harassment, or incitement of violence.

maxrandb

(15,193 posts)
26. The ACLU misses the point that some speech is so incendiary
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:23 AM
Jun 2020

and "harassing" that it requires negative sanction.

So far Kansas State has taken no action.

The Kansas State athletes are exercising their First Amendment right to speech, assembly and petition by stating they won't play unless the university does something.

Let's see what the university does.

So, could a student cut and paste a bunch of stuff into a report and be shielded from expulsion for plagiarism because of his First Amendment right?

Suppose a young woman had been raped and murdered. Could he post "at least she got a good lay before she died", or "thanks Mr rapist, no muss-no fuss, we won't have to pay for her abortion".

How about a Jewish student being killed and he posts; "too bad, one less for the gas chamber".

I think that we would not only find such speech offensive, we'd find it incendiary and harassing.

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I don't believe the First Amendment protects speech that is harassing.

I guess I'm a bit more concerned about protecting the athletes First Amendment rights.

Maybe Kansas State will expell them.

Wondering if you'll come to their defense with such vigor.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
27. Yeah, the "free speech" clause cuts both ways
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:43 AM
Jun 2020

and there is a long history of very offensive speech being protected by it. I think you have to take the good with the bad.

Judi Lynn

(160,219 posts)
16. Thanks for the information, Omaha Steve. This is the first time to hear it, by all means.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jun 2020

Found a photo of him with Kris Kobach in google images, but its source has been removed: Twitter.

Click for image:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDGRjg-2BS30MvdhV4XX0CVc-HDrUs-TzQsQ26pHuEjihVXHwr&s

One doesn't get to be like him overnight:





This had to involve a steady hate diet.

AN AFFINITY FOR BIGOTRY: JADEN MCNEIL OF AMERICA FIRST STUDENTS
By Chuck Tanner and Devin Burghart
February 27, 2020

https://www.irehr.org/2020/02/27/an-affinity-for-bigotry-jaden-mcneil-of-america-first-students/

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
18. Hate begets hate. He's a product of hate so there you go. Kid looks like the grandson in Knives Out
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jun 2020

involved in the AltRight movement.

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
19. Some More Info About This Prick
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 11:51 PM
Jun 2020

McNeil first caught the internet’s attention in August 2019, when he said in a now-unavailable tweet that K-State was “forcing” him to take a “diversity class.”

“I can’t decide which anti-white male class to take,” McNeil wrote, listing Queer Studies, Politics of Women of Color and African American Perspectives as class options.

“Not too fond of the idea of being lectured by some Satanic Professor about why it’s totally okay and normal for men to want to chop off their d*cks or why every problem facing our society is because of the ‘white man,'” McNeil added in the now archived tweet thread.

McNeil is the former president of Turning Point USA’s K-State chapter, and he founded America First Students, an independent student organization.

https://www.kstatecollegian.com/2020/06/26/students-react-to-hateful-rhetoric-from-america-first-students-president-with-petition-planned-protest/

dustyscamp

(2,221 posts)
29. K State won't expel the little bastard
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 09:17 PM
Jul 2020
We cannot violate the law’: Kansas State won’t expel student who made racist tweets
BY MARÁ ROSE WILLIAMS, KELLIS ROBINETT, AND JUDY L. THOMAS
JULY 01, 2020 11:01 AM


We cannot violate the law’: Kansas State won’t expel student who made racist tweets

Kansas State University will not expel the student whose insensitive tweets about George Floyd prompted many to urge that he be kicked off campus.

“There have been many calls for us to expel a student who posted racist messages on social media, and while these messages are disrespectful and abhorrent, we cannot violate the law,” K-State President Richard Myers said Wednesday in a statement to the campus community.

“What we can do is use these incidents as a catalyst to more crisply define the way we will work to stop hate at K-State and combat racism on our campuses.”


https://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article243925962.html

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