Bernie's student army learns to live with Biden

[brooklynite]

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Source: Politico


As the Democratic primary drew to its conclusion, a flurry of Students for Bernie college organizations made clear where they stood: There was no way they could vote for Joe Biden. If Sanders wasn’t the nominee, they planned to either sit out the fall election or vote third party.

But as coronavirus deaths mount and Donald Trump strikes a law-and-order pose against the protests sweeping the nation, many of the leaders of those groups are rethinking their hardline position. And faced with a choice between a candidate they distrust due to his lack of progressive bona fides, or ushering in the second term of an incumbent they loathe, more than a few leftist college student leaders are learning to live with Biden.

“In recent weeks, it's become pretty clear that Trump is willing to crack down on free speech, and so it's definitely making me lean more toward Biden now,” said Harry Feldman, a Georgia Tech senior and co-chair of the school’s Young Democratic Socialists of America chapter, who was considering voting third party in Georgia.

The last straws, Feldman said, were Trump’s threats to put down unrest with military force and his “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” tweet.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/28/bernie-sanders-college-supporters-joe-biden-328353

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Has Nina Turner been heard from?

[JI7]

2. the base came out for Biden in huge numbers during the primary

[hlthe2b]

3. so, it takes near annihilation to convince some that Biden is the better choice? Really?

Good gawd/goddess.

[paleotn]

4. In my mind...

some folks need to grow the fuck up and learn how politics actually works.

[progree]

5. It doesn't look like JackoffRadicals got the memo

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Here's a couple of their scintillating progressive intellectual (in their own minds) outpourings -

Yes, Trump scares me. That's why I won't vote for Joe Biden
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/yes-trump-scares-me-thats-why-i-wont-vote-for-joe-biden/

I can't believe I have to vote for Joey
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-cant-believe-i-have-to-vote-for-joey/

[denem]

15. Not a post about the Russian bounties.

The GRU would be proud of them.

[progree]

40. Oh here's one. And yes, the GRU would be proud of them

The gift that keeps on giving, June 28.
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/

(I have to keep putting dates on the threads, so as to ward some "these posts are from April" response, as if ANY one of them would change their minds between April and June about anything, ANYTHING, sheesh )

EDITED TO ADD:
I don’t understand the outrage
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-dont-understand-the-outrage/

[Polybius]

22. Those posts are from April

Since then, many have embraced Biden, even Cenk Uygur.

[progree]

32. Nope, not the 2nd one, and here's many more where that came from. FROM LATE JUNE.

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I can't believe I have to vote for Joey, June 25
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-cant-believe-i-have-to-vote-for-joey/

Of which I read all of the posts and they all are all the classic bullshit slamming anyone thinking of voting "blue no matter who".

I can assure you I can find a newer version of the first one. Every time I read over there, its the same stupid assholic fuckwadery. Every time.

Show me any threads over there where all but maybe 5%, if even that I'd be shocked because I haven't seen a single one, advocates voting for Biden.

Edited to add:

The "Democratic" party is a lie., June 26
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-democratic-party-is-a-lie/

Fresh edit to add:

James Carville on Biden VP pick: Wouldn't care if it was Sarah Palin, June 27
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/james-carville-on-biden-vp-pick-wouldnt-care-if-it-was-sarah-palin/

With typical responses like (just picking the shorter ones, but I challenge you to pick a longer one that's ultimately different):

Ah, smart choice James.
Sarah Palin, the one person that could possibly make Biden look and sound coherent.

Well,why not,Carville..
You supported Hillary,who’s basically Sarah Palin with a more elitist education and tone.

Biden's VP will be POTUS before 2024
So her identity is important. And she is guaranteed to be an outright textbook fascist, or at least a kleptocrat.

Yet another edited to add (and yes, I'm reading all the replies to these threads, and there are none, NONE that even hint that Biden would be any less-worse than Trump, and plenty that he's equivalent or worse, e.g. at least Trump is honest bull ) :

Biden cancer nonprofit paid its top execs millions. It spent little to eradicate cancer, June 27
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/biden-cancer-nonprofit-paid-its-top-execs-millions-it-spent-little-to-eradicate-cancer/

Kim Iverson: "Will Hillary Clinton will be Biden's REAL VP?" June 26
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/kim-iverson-will-hillary-clinton-will-be-bidens-real-vp/

Biden's Failures Will Trigger Dem Civil War – The Hill, June 26
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/bidens-failures-will-trigger-dem-civil-war-the-hill/

[NurseJackie]

6. Jesus Christ! They've only gotten as far as "rethinking their hardline position" ??

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many of the leaders of those groups are rethinking their hardline position. And faced with a choice between a candidate they distrust due to his lack of progressive bona fides,

Jesus Christ! They've only gotten as far as "rethinking their hardline position" ??

The choice is clear. The consequences are real. People like this are a waste of my time. Let me know when the "leaders of those groups" wake all the way up and solidly change their minds rather than serving up a wishy-washy "rethinking". Language like that is just a cry for attention.

Most of us have moved on, because we realize that the time we spend with these idiot-brainwashed non-voters and other "third party" supporters is wasted time (ie: hours trying to convince them to change their mind to maybe/possibly support the Democrat.) Instead, our time and effort could be better spent by getting ten-times the number of NEW and FIRST TIME voters to support the Democratic party.

It's perfectly obvious at this point that anyone who claims that they "distrust" Joe Biden is being selfish and pathetic and is someone who needs to be validated. It's all very much like a Sarandonesque rerun. They've learned nothing. They are trying to weaken and divide us. I'm sick of their behavior and constant smearing of our party, our candidate. I'm sick of their blackmail and threats and the disruptions and constant need for attention.

Lookit... all I'm saying is that their hyped-up "indecision" and lies and smears and attacks only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections. It serves no good purpose at all. It only helps Trump. If it helps Trump, then it helps Russia.

[onetexan]

7. It's a severe lack of emotional maturity unfortunately. My way or the highway mentality.

[NJCher]

11. no, I don't think so

I know a lot of Bernie supporters both in-person and online. I only know one who is voting for Biden. The reason is not because they're mentally slow, as so many on this thread would like to think (boy are those Bernie people stupid!!!), it's because it's very hard to participate in what many feel is a rigged game.

Many will vote for progressive candidates down ticket but because they feel cheated, they won't be voting for Biden.

[SharonClark]

17. It's rigged because Bernie lost the primary?

These anti-Biden people are beyond defending. Biden wasn’t my first or second choice but he clearly was the choice of the Democrats who showed up and voted. He is 1000% better than trump.

Is there no adult among these anti-Biden so-called progressives who can explain how votings works? Have you tried to explain it to them?

I hope you’re wrong about your friends. I hope the anti-Biden so-called progressives get a clue and vote in the best interests of the country in November. If they don’t vote for Biden then they are stupid.

[NJCher]

21. here's how they see it

Bernie was doing fine until the multimillionaires showed up and told the Democratic party to fall in line. Bernie is very threatening to people with lots of money. Very soon a strategy emerged where endorsements were thrown to Biden. They see it as an organized effort to cut him out.

Comments like "no adult" don't help. "...then they are stupid." They are judgmental and fail to recognize the issue is a fairness. The system is rigged and they're not participating in it.

No one wants to feel as if they are being forced into anything, and that is how these people feel. The only way to alleviate that feeling is to refuse to participate in the "system."

[onetexan]

26. They weren't "forced into anything". Bernie did not get enough votes to beat Biden. End of Story.

Such is politics. If these young people had enough emotional maturity they'd realize they that.

[NJCher]

33. this is the kind of black and white thinking

that is the turnoff.

Eventually people with this attitude will die off. Then the people who are now ahead of their time will take over.

[onetexan]

35. No need to make it a black/white issue

[brooklynite]

31. Does the fact that Bernie was never polling more than 1/3 of the Democratic vote resonate?

They seem happy to use procedural rules to nominate a minority support candidate when it works for THEM...

[NJCher]

34. I haven't asked them

If you want to make a case for that, I'll run it past a few of them and see what they say.

You'd have to prove he never got one third of the Democratic vote. How would you prove that? Then you'd have to include a discussion of procedural rules and how that applies.

[brooklynite]

42. Take a look at the 538 Polling summary

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

Sanders was never at more that 35-38%. Yes, he had MORE support than Biden or Warren or Buttigieg, but the reality is that 2/3 of Democrats ALWAYS wanted someone else. His youth fans seemed to believe that "winning" meant "being in first", rather than "having a majority of delegates" and that all the other candidates should use the voting rules to nominate him (on the second ballot) on that basis. The conspiracy theory spin that "multimillionaires" "FORCED" the other candidates out of the race is both unsupported and disparaging to the political courage and morals of all the candidates who dropped out and endorsed Biden after Super Tuesday.

[George II]

45. That's a pretty disturbing attitude, that "multimillionaires" told the Democratic Party....

....to fall in line? I'm talking about the people you're talking about, not you.

That's ludicrous. Someone should remind them that Sanders himself is a "multimillionaire"!

The fact is that O'Rourke, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Yang, etc. were sensible enough to realize they would not be the nominee and by staying in the race it would only divide Democrats. I wish all the candidates would have realized that.

[onetexan]

25. by "emotional maturity" i didn't mean Bernie's followers were slow

Look up the phrase's meaning.

[NJCher]

36. I know full well what emotional maturity means

I work in that subject area for my livelihood.

Doesn't apply.

[Me.]

9. Isn't Time They Are Recognized As Republicans

THey certainly are not Dems, no matter what they call themselves and all this BS business is just an excuse.

[onetexan]

27. And they don't identify themselves as Dems.

[Me.]

28. Excellent Point

[onetexan]

29. In early 2017 i went to a Dem rally Bernie was a part of. I noticed on the flier the Bernieites were

passing out that it said "Our Revolution" with no mention of Democrats. After witnessing all the chanting and fist raising in unison i felt like i was seeing cultish activity. I told the ladies who went with me this is not a Democratic group. Bernie's message was the same old same old. But i will say one thing: for a man whose achieved so little during his long political career except renaming a postal center, he managed to lure these young people with all the promises of free college and free healthcare, and they fell for it.

[Me.]

30. I Think This Is The Very Thing About The "Our Revolution' Crowd

and people should stop feeling betrayed by them because they are not Dems and as you say, don't claim to be. It seems to have been a misplaced belief by both the believers and receivers.

[lagomorph777]

39. Bernie supporter here. Come hell or COVID, I'm voting for Biden and Dems all down the ticket.

Any other position is obvious insanity. Sadly though, I think some of Bernie's supporters really came in from a different direction; they are more like Trumpies but might have some issue with specific Trump policies or behaviors. I don't get it myself, but from what I hear, that seems to have occurred.

[apcalc]

8. It took them 4 years to figure this out?

[NJCher]

12. see post 11

eom

[Thekaspervote]

10. Finally!! They put their big boy ...and girl pants on

[Jedi Guy]

13. Time to grow up, kiddos.

Sometimes you don't get what you want in life, but stamping your feet and holding your breath until you turn purple isn't gonna win you any respect.

[luvtheGWN]

16. Someone should remind them of this:

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

And this:

Politics is the art of compromise.

[FM123]

14. I think those Bernie students will come our way.

My three kids were young college students during the last election and they were so excited to vote for Bernie, when Hillary became the nominee they griped and whined BUT they showed up for her and voted for her. This time around they are slightly older (in their twenties) and still like Bernie, but when Joe Biden became our nominee they were seriously (and quietly) all in. I suspect that there are many more young folks out there that are so horrified at the prospect of trump remaining in office that whether they announce it or not, they will vote for Joe in November.

[SharonClark]

18. Good to hear.

[NJCher]

37. nice anecdote

got any studies?

[FM123]

41. Why thank you, I'm glad you thought it was a nice anecdote!

No studies - just sharing my personal stories with my friends on DU...

[SharonClark]

19. I really blame this attitude on candidates and campaigns

who have no nuance and explain everything as black and white. It attracts believers who become convinced that only their candidate is good and honorable and the other candidates are evil and corrupt. It works on the right and the left.

[iluvtennis]

20. As I preach to my idealistic 20 year olds...no candidate will ever completely line up with

your values/ideals, and 3rd party candidates can't really win. So, the bottom-line is you have to vote for the major party candidate who will do the least harm.

My preaching has paid off and both of my 20 year olds will be voting for Biden (and not their preference for Green party)

[Indykatie]

23. Nina Left the Dem Party - I Haven't Seen Anything in the Media About Her Since Then n/t

[PADemD]

43. Oh, Nina's still around if you bother to look.

The Hello Somebody! Senator Nina Turner is back with a powerful podcast that brings together some of her most influential and inspirational friends, as well as everyday people doing good work on behalf of social justice and human rights. The show will touch on fierce themes from perseverance to resistance, Nina and her guests will share, ignite and conspire for better.

[ancianita]

24. If they knew that he participated in the setup of our cybercommand, they'd have joined him sooner!

Once they got a whiff of what he knew during the Obama years, they're seeing him in a different light.


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[LiberalFighter]

38. They don't need to live with Biden. They need to vote for Biden.

[PADemD]

44. They don't need to live with Biden

No, they have to live with Biden’s policies, two of which I really don’t like: His assertion that he would veto single payer Medicare for all and his four tries to reduce Social Security.

[Omaha Steve]

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