NASCAR releases photo of noose in Bubba Wallace's garage

[Faygo Kid]

Source: NY Daily News

NASCAR said Thursday that its examination of the Talladega racetrack showed only one noose, which was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace’s garage.

The noose was first reported Sunday after Wallace spoke out against the prominence of the Confederate flag at his races and NASCAR launched an investigation. By Tuesday, the FBI claimed that the noose had been in the garage since October.

NASCAR said Thursday that its own investigation had looked at 1684 garage stalls across 29 racetracks and found 11 ropes with a pulldown rope tied in a knot. Only one, the one found in Wallace’s stall, was fashioned into a noose.

“”Anyone who would suggest this was a hoax, I find personally offensive,” president Steve Phelps said. “I don’t know how people think that way.

“The noose was real, as was our concern for Bubba.” . . .

Read more: https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/ny-nascar-bubba-wallace-noose-20200625-wcibjyzctzezlktt3ue7qxl7ne-story.html?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=onesignal

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Looks like a freakin' noose to me. I wonder if Tucker Carlson and others of his ilk will apologize? Nah. . .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbXvGA0UMAAUeTT?format=jpg&name=900x900

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Sure doesn't look like any garage door pull I've ever seen.

[William Seger]

33. ... because a slip knot is inappropriate for that purpose

[stopdiggin]

52. a noose IS a slip knot

However, this is something quite different. And deliberate. You don't achieve this type of knot without effort -- and intent. And it is not likely (or ever) mistaken for anything other than what it is.

[William Seger]

66. Um, that's what I meant

A noose is a slip knot which would tighten on your hand if you used it for that purpose.

[stopdiggin]

72. apologies

I obviously mistook your meaning. Sentiment and opinion seem to be running in both directions on this thread.
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[RandySF]

2. Looks like a noose to me.

[Thomas Hurt]

3. FBI are lying through their teeth about this...that is not a garage door pull.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. That is a Hangman's Noose.

Double checked that photo to my old Boy Scout handbook for how to tie knots. Sure as hell ain't just a Door Pull.

[Decoy of Fenris]

5. Yup. That's a noose. No "Garage pull" there outside one of ill intent.

Worked and visited tons of garages, never seen a pull like that. While there may be some validity behind the noose being there before Wallace moved into the garage, it's still an abhorrent thing to have dangling about anywhere, regardless of the presence of a black person. Glad NASCAR's sticking to their guns and condemning this, along with the general support Wallace has received from the NASCAR crews.

[yardwork]

65. Sounds like somebody left it as a "greeting" for Wallace.

[Docreed2003]

6. That's clearly a noose

Ok the rope has been there for months, maybe the pull down handle has been in place that long too...but a full on noose? Nah, not buying it. This was deliberate and it needs to be investigated further.

[George II]

7. That is NOT your everyday ordinary garage door rope pull.

THIS is a NASCAR garage door rope pull:



THIS is the NOOSE that was in Wallace's garage (from the article):



THAT is a fucking noose!!!!

[Faygo Kid]

10. +1

Thanks for posting the pics.

[kimbutgar]

8. What was Bubba given that particular garage with this so called rope puller?

I think this was intentional.

[stopdiggin]

44. according to NASCAR it was not

and that would make more sense if the knot was tied sometime closer to the assignment -- rather than years prior.

[2naSalit]

9. It's a specific and complex knot...

Any kind of simple knot would have served the purpose of a grip for the rope.

Not buying the FBI story which was probably edited by bullybarr.

[ffr]

11. Even if the noose was there since October

Why hadn't anyone removed it, notified the black driver that his garage has the added bonus of a noose in it???

No, the noose was put there. I imagine when it's discovered who put it there, it'll be crystal clear what the intention was.

[cstanleytech]

74. "Why hadn't anyone removed it" Most likely reason? Probably because it was doing its job well enough

that it was low on a priority list for getting addressed.
Its like the light near my computer..............its not very bright and I know I could replace it with a brighter led one that would use less power but since it does the job well enough its not high on my list of things to do.
Now what is higher on that list is saving up for a decent computer chair before the wood chair from the dining room I borrowed kills me.

[brush]

12. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a fu_king noose.

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I'm still not buying the FBI's conclusion that it's just a door pull. Something's fishy. After all, many aren't pleased that Nascar banned the traitor flag.

[stopdiggin]

47. that's NOT what the FBI said

they said not a "hate crime" because it did not specifically target Wallace. The FBI in fact calls the knot in question a noose.

from the article --

“Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week,” the FBI said, deciding that there was no hate crime.

[ScratchCat]

13. Why is it so difficult

for NASCAR to tell us who actually "reported" it?

[mainer]

14. None of the other doors in the NASCAR garage had a noose

His was the only door pull fashioned into a noose.
Hm. I wonder what made him different from the other drivers?

[MarcA]

15. Who was involved in assigning Bubba Wallace that Space?

It's not that they knew last year that he would be assigned that space, it's that
they knew it was there and arraigned the assignment.

[Cirque du So-What]

17. It's not like they pull numbers out of a hat

to determine garage assignments. I don’t know many garages there are, but odds don’t favor Bubba Wallace getting the only noose in the bunch. It’s assignment was deliberate IMO.

[IronLionZion]

16. Funny how the other garage door pulls don't look like that noose

[avebury]

18. That is a noose and for the FBI to claim it isn't does not

say much for the FBI.

[stopdiggin]

49. they don't. read the article.

[George II]

19. I'm SO glad that NASCAR and Steve Phelps aren't just blindly believing the FBI conclusion....

...and glad Phelps agreed that the noose was real.

I'm sure this is not over.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

20. It's a noose that appears to be recently made (no fraying/dirt from use as a "pull"). nt

[yardwork]

67. You're right. It's clean. It's recent. It's deliberate.

[demmiblue]

21. Pic:

Yep.

[customerserviceguy]

22. How about

the fact that the FBI figured out that this so-called noose had been in place WAY ahead of Bubba Wallace's arrival?

As Freud said, “a cigar is sometimes just a cigar.”

[Devil Child]

23. Gets ignored and wrapped up in allegations of conspiracy

[customerserviceguy]

25. Also ignored

is the fact that FBI investigators could not find any person who would have done this as an attempted hate crime, and that the other drivers were massively in support of Wallace the other day. That's big, but for people who look down their noses at people who are connected to NASCAR, it doesn't fit their narrative of "rednecks are all deplorables".

[Devil Child]

32. Agreed, part of the broader culture war.

[JonLP24]

69. Culture war BS was started by Fox News

We aren't all that different.

[demmiblue]

24. Or, a noose is a noose is a noose...

regardless of the timeline.

Freud said the same thing about right-wing trolls.

[customerserviceguy]

26. You seem to have a vested interest

in this being a hate crime. Feel free to labor under that notion. Glad to see that Bubba's over it.

[demmiblue]

27. Bubba isn't over it, if you have watched any of the coverage.

But you know that.

[customerserviceguy]

28. I have seen coverage

of his own words, but maybe not as much coverage twisting his words as you have.

Anyway, I was glad to see race crews support Bubba a few days ago, it moved him visibly. Maybe you think that was just a cover-up stunt.

[demmiblue]

29. Lol... no you haven't.

And you also don't think hanging a noose is a hate crime. So there's that.

[customerserviceguy]

30. A real noose

perpetrated by someone with intent to intimidate is indeed a hate crime. I believe this is just a way to bring a garage door down. The FBI figured that out, too.

[demmiblue]

31. No, the FBI said it was fashioned like a noose.

If you don't think hanging a noose is a hate crime... well, that says a lot about you.

Bubba said of all the garages he has ever been to, he has never seen such a pull. Ever.

[Ferrets are Cool]

36. I can't believe you have the balls to actually post that.

This was a racial statement. PERIOD. No matter the time frame. It was wrong to hang THAT NOOSE anywhere.
To try and explain it away as JUST A KNOT is so farking wrong.

[customerserviceguy]

38. You also

seem to have an interest in seeing this as something sinister. I'm just glad that the NASCAR driver community rallied behind Bubba Wallace in the public way that they did. Maybe if it was an attempted hate crime, their action will let the next perpetrator know that he won't be tolerated in the sport. I choose to see that as progress.

[demmiblue]

40. A hanging noose is sinister... I'm sorry you don't see it that way. n/t

[customerserviceguy]

42. To me

it depends on intent. If some brilliant detective can find the person who tied the rope into that shape, and establish a racist motive, then we've got an alleged hate crime on our hands. Still, I'd give the accused a fair trial, some would opt for execution on the spot.

[demmiblue]

43. Lol... keep digging!

At least people here will see you for what you are.

[Ferrets are Cool]

53. INTENT????????????????

It was a FUCKING NOOSE. What the HELL do you do with a NOOSE beside HANG someone???? Please let me know. I can give you about 100 other KNOTS that could have been tied that are NOT nooses. Please educate me on what a NOOSE implies besides HANGING.

[skamaria]

58. Cap your pissing up a rope!

It’s hangman’s noose designed to break a neck, period! All the other garage pulls were slipknots. Some asshole might have tied it that way just joking in 19. The question is why did they assign that particular garage to the only Black driver!

[LanternWaste]

63. Irrelevant as none of us are jurists...

"Still, I'd give the accused a fair trial, some would opt for execution on the spot."

Irrelevant as none of us are jurists and sentencing is not our purview...but it certainly does allow the opportunity for some creatively-displayed sanctimony,at the expense of other posters.

[demmiblue]

41. Oh, it is sooo not surprising.

[George II]

39. Look at post #7.

[LanternWaste]

61. No more and no less than the corollary...

As a handful of posters consistently and continuously downplay, minimize and trivialize racism as something other than what it is.

Patterns we create can often be much more obvious than we may credit ourselves for

[customerserviceguy]

77. Keep beating

that "all white people are racist" drum, especially those who like NASCAR, and see where that gets us this November.

[yardwork]

68. The noose is obviously new. It's clean and pristine.

[Ferrets are Cool]

34. All doubt was erased with the release of this photo

THAT is a noose. Period.

[onetexan]

75. Spot on. I'd like to see pix of the other garage stalls' pulls

For comparison.

[CaptainTruth]

35. White priveledge.

I can easily imagine a white person tying a door pull like that because they think it's "funny," not thinking about the effect it would have on a person of color.

[stopdiggin]

51. unfortunately that is all too true

BUT .....
It wasn't really very funny 25 years ago -- and this is NO LONGER 25 years ago.
Any person running around doing this today -- needs to have their card pulled.
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[CaptainTruth]

55. Agree 100%.

[tenderfoot]

37. Regardless as to how long it was there it still looks like a noose.

eom

[cstanleytech]

45. Of course it does which is why the mistaken impression that it was a noose directed at Bubba is

completely understandable.

[Lars39]

46. That's a fucking noose.

And his stall just happened to be the one with that particular knot? Pulease

[marie999]

48. That does not look like a noose.

It is a noose. I would like to see pictures of the pull ropes on other garages to see if they look as clean as that noose. I would also like to know how he was picked for that garage. It seems that some people posting on this article want to sweep it under the rug. This has not been fully investigated.

[MichMan]

54. I believe the garage assignments are based on the point standings

[GeorgeGist]

50. The FBI cleared Kavanaugh, also.

[Karma13612]

59. 👏👏👏👏 excellent response! And totally true! nt

[hibbing]

56. Where is the video?

I wonder if they already have a suspect. I would think there would be security cameras all over the garage area.


Peace

[ProfessorGAC]

57. Info Not Mentioned Here

From ESPN crawl.
NASCAR screened 1,648 garages used by their teams at many tracks.
They found ELEVEN doors with a pull rope. One in 150.
IOW, these teams barely use pull ropes. They're clearly not very important.
And then ONE of 11 was fashioned as a noose. And that's the garage Wallace gets assigned.
And, it's all coincidence?
Strains credulity.

[George II]

60. By the way, this is the photo that was first released when the FBI and NASCAR....

...said earlier in the week it wasn't a hate crime. That rope from November 2019 isn't the same one as the one just released. The November rope has a much smaller loop and the knot his shorter. Glad the REAL picture came out today!

[George II]

62. Here's another view of the one that was there last year - DEFINITELY not the same as in the OP.

It's much thinner rope and the knot is much smaller.

[Sapient Donkey]

71. You might be right...

When I saw those older pictures it looked like that could easily not be a noose and just a knot that someone mistook as being a noose. They do look different, but there is another old picture that looks more like a noose. So I don't know.

*found them*

Either way, no doubt it's a noose and totally understandable why it raised concerns.

[stopdiggin]

73. I'm willing to go along with the explanation

that this pull had been in existence for some time (until I see some substantial proof otherwise). Not sure if that really makes any difference. I think that the fact that this kind of "equipment" is lurking around Talladega facilities (no matter who the target/audience) speaks to an intentional racist message and intent.

These types of "knots" do not just happen by themselves.

[yardwork]

64. Yeah, that's deliberate.

[Sapient Donkey]

70. Well, that's for sure a noose.

I fully understand why someone would react the way they did. Sure maybe it could have been handled more discretely until it was confirmed it wasn't newly added, but we say that with 20/20 hindsight. People who claim it was an intentional hoax are jackasses.

[marie999]

76. 311 Speedway in Stokes County, NC was selling "Bubba rope"

on Facebook Marketplace. "Buy your Bubba Rope today for only $9.99 each, they come with a lifetime warranty and work great." After enough criticism, the ad was taken down.