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brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:24 AM Jun 2020

The coronavirus surge is real, and it's everywhere

Source: Axios

The coronavirus pandemic is getting dramatically worse in almost every corner of the U.S.

The big picture: The U.S. today is getting closer to the worst-case scenario envisioned in the spring — a nationwide crisis, made worse by a vacuum of political leadership, threatening to overwhelm hospitals and spread out of control.

Nationwide, cases are up 30% compared to the beginning of this month, and dramatically worsening outbreaks in several states are beginning to strain hospital capacity — the same concern that prompted the nationwide lockdown in the first place.

This is the grimmest map in the eight weeks since Axios began tracking the change in new cases in every state.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-surge-map-7714f8d1-5ba1-46f8-9bf3-5d59938f2c95.html

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The coronavirus surge is real, and it's everywhere (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2020 OP
And it's because: no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #1
+1 Hugin Jun 2020 #5
Re: #8 lonely bird Jun 2020 #11
Exactly. LisaL Jun 2020 #16
Nos. 9 and 10 are true and an interesting phenomenon. llmart Jun 2020 #18
Nice work. n/t Eyeball_Kid Jun 2020 #22
Unbelievable. AZ8theist Jun 2020 #2
exactly AZ8theist....PISSES ME RIGHT OFF dem4evah Jun 2020 #10
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voting public. n/t aggiesal Jun 2020 #28
That's a scary thing for a democracy, wnylib Jun 2020 #33
I completely agree ... aggiesal Jun 2020 #34
It is up to us to educate the people. wnylib Jun 2020 #35
They are un-American losers who just want to "own the libs." Yeehah Jun 2020 #37
Trump, "It's going away." Botany Jun 2020 #3
It is the Trump virus within U.S. borders dalton99a Jun 2020 #9
MAGA flu, AKA red state flu. wnylib Jun 2020 #36
Praying it away didn't work either. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #19
What's "going away" are... Eyeball_Kid Jun 2020 #23
K&R 2naSalit Jun 2020 #4
100 days of concerted effort and we could quash it soothsayer Jun 2020 #6
They know what to do, they don't need advice. gab13by13 Jun 2020 #8
Because the Governors of Texas, Arizona, Florida and Arkansas are dem4evah Jun 2020 #12
And since it seems that none of the wealthy die from it, it is a win-win scenario. LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #15
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Jun 2020 #7
Posted a graphic leighbythesea2 Jun 2020 #13
Remember when the Con asked Dr. Fauci if we could just let the virus "wash over the country?" CrispyQ Jun 2020 #14
Now what DownriverDem Jun 2020 #17
Keep doing that. AllyCat Jun 2020 #20
Me too. llmart Jun 2020 #21
Yay Economy! Guns and butter trump life and health! bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #24
Michigan and the Midwest have growing cases... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #25
Herd immunity finally kicking in? I see reports that majority of new cases are under age 45 Baclava Jun 2020 #26
We're still a loooong way from that percentage, and... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #29
It might be that we are finally dealing better with nursing homes Steelrolled Jun 2020 #31
at around 70% Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #32
No. Best estimates are 6% infected so far. NickB79 Jun 2020 #38
New studies show huge number possibly infected, with no symptoms, 10X original estimates Baclava Jun 2020 #39
Yes, 20 million possible. I read the same article NickB79 Jun 2020 #40
Yes but 22% of our population is under 18 y/o...thats 72 million that dont really need it? Baclava Jun 2020 #41
Each and every person in the country will realize they have Trump to thank for this. Chemisse Jun 2020 #27
Low educated will think 2 and 2 is 22. They won't get it. They don't want to get it n/t aggiesal Jun 2020 #30

no_hypocrisy

(46,057 posts)
1. And it's because:
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:36 AM
Jun 2020

1. Trump wanted to re-open the country on his timetable, not that of the virus.
2. People* wanted to get haircuts and have their hair dyed.
3. Young folk wanted to go out in large numbers and drink alcohol recklessly.
4. People were bored and wanted to go shopping for stuff they really didn't need.
5. Governors of states couldn't "sell" the dangers of the virus long enough to control its spread.
6. People didn't want to breathe through masks or wear them.
7. People felt quarantine was like being in prison, or grounded in the tradition of adolescence.
8. People didn't like being told what to do. True Libertarians.
8A. If the same people in #8 are told what to do by their Churches, then that's different. But the churches insisted that they would only be true Christians if they congregated together instead of seeking a one-on-one relationship with Jesus and their God.
9. Today's families are uncomfortable being together for long stretches of time.
10. People didn't want to cook in their kitchens. They wanted to go out.
11. People didn't believe there was an invisible virus that could kill you and if it didn't kill you, it could mess up your body permanently.
12. The subset of People who have the virus, feel no symptoms (asymptomatic), and therefore they don't believe they're communicating the virus to others, risking THEIR lives.

Add more if you wish.

* The term "people" is not all inclusive. It's certain people out of the American population. And let's face it, even if you yourself are being vigilant and careful, the virus can't truly be contained without the help and cooperation of the others. We're f**ked.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
16. Exactly.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:41 AM
Jun 2020

We have Trump as president, and a bunch of people in the population who started acting as if everything was back to normal the second shut down was lifted.

llmart

(15,535 posts)
18. Nos. 9 and 10 are true and an interesting phenomenon.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:49 AM
Jun 2020

They both speak to some serious flaws in our societal trends. Today's houses are bigger than ever and the families are smaller than ever. Also, because of our national obsession with home improvement, people's kitchens are spectacular with their subzero refrigerators and granite countertops and yet families are eating out more than ever (prior to Covid of course).

You are right. Today's families aren't really all that family oriented. Everyone is sequestered in their rooms with their own devices/TV's. Siblings rarely have to share a room any more. Some of the most important lessons I learned growing up in a large family were how to share, how to negotiate with a sibling for what you wanted, how to divide the chores of cleaning a shared bedroom, and the ultimate lesson was how important it was to learn to get along with others.

With regard to health matters, not too many people dismissed the recommendations of experts when it came to polio, measles, mumps, whooping cough, chicken pox.

 

dem4evah

(75 posts)
10. exactly AZ8theist....PISSES ME RIGHT OFF
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jun 2020

that he's still at 40% support. While I was growing up my Dad constantly bitched about how stupid and crazy people are. I always thought he was too negative and over exaggerating. I stand corrected.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
33. That's a scary thing for a democracy,
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jun 2020

which, by definition, depends on the votes of ordinary people.

Taken to its logical conclusion, the idea that Americans are too stupid to vote is a discounting of democracy itself and the belief that ordinary people can govern themselves. But, the people do have to be informed, accurately, reliably, and consistently. Public education and reliable media are essential.

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
34. I completely agree ...
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

unfortunately, the voting public is largely not educated on the issues.
They instead hear the 3-word bumpersticker.

I have a RW friend, who simply loves Pendejo45.
She keeps claiming that everything that Pendejo45 does is great for America.
So I ask her to name one thing he's done and she never can.

Last time I spoke with her, she said "I hate to tell you, but Soros is funding the protests & riots".
I laughed at her and told her to watch or read something other than Fox or Breitbart.

When Pendejo45 told everyone to go out and don't wear masks, guess what, she does it?

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
35. It is up to us to educate the people.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jun 2020

I know that people ignore complex issues and don't want to get into depth on them. Others don't understand the issues even when they try to go beyond superficial 3wird bumper stickers.

So it's up to us to present the core of the issues in terms that people understand. For some, that means simple slogans. For others, it means more details and facts, according to what they can absorb. We need to do a good job of showing people how issues and votes affect them. Sometimes we need to be blunt.

Example: I live in an apt building for seniors. A RW tenant approached me in the lobby without a mask, in spite of the signs everywhere reminding people to wear them in public areas. I told her to stand back 6 feet and asked where her mask was. She said she didn't have to wear one and didn't care if she died. So I bluntly said I didn't care if she died, either. But also told her that she has no right to expose other people just because she doesn't care about herself. I gave her a graphic description of how covid patients die, alone and gagging and gasping for air. She hasn't been in the hallways since then.

Make the message sink in.

Yeehah

(4,574 posts)
37. They are un-American losers who just want to "own the libs."
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jun 2020

You can't reason with them. No matter what happens, they say "still voting for Trump." They lack the intelligence and character to change their views. Fox "News" and Oxy Limbaugh tell them what to think.

HAR HAR. Own the libs.

Botany

(70,476 posts)
3. Trump, "It's going away."
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:38 AM
Jun 2020

As long as we do not have a unified national policy on C-19 it will keep growing. This state by state
"stuff" is a nightmare.

********

It's Going Away': Trump Plays Down Coronavirus At Arizona Rally As Cases Surge In The State

Source: Forbes

“It’s going away,” Trump said of the virus, which he referred to as “the plague.”

Trump stressed the need to reopen the country and end lockdown measures put in place to mitigate the spread of the virus, which is still on the rise in 26 states, including a considerable surge in Arizona.

“People get sick from the other. Not just the virus. People get sick from all of the other things that happen. You know what I mean,” Trump said, declaring, “we gotta open up!”

Ticking off nicknames for the virus, Trump referred to it as “Wuhan virus,” “Chinese flu” and “kung flu” to raucous applause, the latter of which has been criticized as racist, including by White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway who referred to it as “very offensive” in March.

Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/23/its-going-away-trump-plays-down-coronavirus-at-arizona-rally-as-cases-surge-in-the-state/

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
23. What's "going away" are...
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jun 2020

the lives of decent, benevolent, kind people who get infected and die.

THEY are our national treasures. And they are disappearing. Trump is using the virus to kill them. He hates people with integrity and feels good when they “disappear”. If those who don’t have integrity lose their lives as well, that’s okay, too. They won’t be asking him for favors.

For Trumpy, he can maintain POWER by killing. It’s the one rule of survival practiced by barbarians throughout history. Trumpy is in their company.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. 100 days of concerted effort and we could quash it
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:37 AM
Jun 2020

If New York could do it, everyone could.

The proof is there.

Won’t kill it entirely but would make it much more manageable and keep that death toll down.

The evidence is clear as day.

I don’t get why other states aren’t on the phone with Cuomo asking for advice, since the feds sure aren’t helping.

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
8. They know what to do, they don't need advice.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:50 AM
Jun 2020

The problem is doing the right thing would piss Trump off.

 

dem4evah

(75 posts)
12. Because the Governors of Texas, Arizona, Florida and Arkansas are
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:10 AM
Jun 2020

Trump humpers. I think killing off god KNOWS how many of their citizens as opposed to "crossing" the orange clown terrifies them. As for Newsom and Insley? They need to get with the program and FAST or their states will be decimated.

leighbythesea2

(1,200 posts)
13. Posted a graphic
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jun 2020

In another post. If a person has virus but is asymptomatic wears a mask, and person who is clear wears a mask, it's moderately low chance of ttansmission. If 6 feet apart, very low.

Masks became political or rather, some rugged individualistic thats america moronic badge. To die. En masse.
We failed at the most basic, easy precaution.
Leadership failed at testing, PPE, message, empathy and everything.

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
14. Remember when the Con asked Dr. Fauci if we could just let the virus "wash over the country?"
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:23 AM
Jun 2020

Well, asshole, thanks to your incompetence and corruption, that's exactly what's happening.

I am so goddamned fucking pissed off at everyone I know who voted for this shithole I have to avoid them or I'll go ballistic on them.

llmart

(15,535 posts)
21. Me too.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jun 2020

Grocery store and twice to Walgreens. Thank goodness a judge saw fit to strike down the suit against Whitmer for not opening gyms. I'd like to see her go further. All our hard work and conscientiousness is going to go down the drain and we'll have to start over. I've noticed that the big stores like Meijer and Kroger are not enforcing the mask wearing when in the beginning they wouldn't let anyone in without a mask.

bucolic_frolic

(43,111 posts)
24. Yay Economy! Guns and butter trump life and health!
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jun 2020

The Mooch tweets today - something about you can't stop germs with propaganda!

After the hospital and undertaker bills, do they think consumption will surge on lower population?

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
25. Michigan and the Midwest have growing cases...
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jun 2020

... and it will surely flow back to the Northeast again too.

I think the NE is one area of the country with regular mask-wearing, though, so it might stay relatively low with new infections.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
26. Herd immunity finally kicking in? I see reports that majority of new cases are under age 45
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 10:36 AM
Jun 2020

Young people will socialize, regardless

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
29. We're still a loooong way from that percentage, and...
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jun 2020

... it's possible that it can never happen unless the immunity is long-term. (Some reports have indicated that it's not, similar to the "common cold" in that way.)

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
31. It might be that we are finally dealing better with nursing homes
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 11:22 AM
Jun 2020

This applies to deaths more than confirmed case. But anyhow, I believe that in some states, a high percentage of COVID-19 deaths were in nursing homes. For Ohio I think it was about 70%. This is an area that perhaps can be controlled better, in terms of frequent staff testing, use of masks by staff and suppliers, etc.

Chemisse

(30,806 posts)
27. Each and every person in the country will realize they have Trump to thank for this.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jun 2020

Even the most "low educated voters" among us can't help but put 2 and 2 together.

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