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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:56 AM Jun 2020

104 people shot, 14 dead over weekend in Chicago

Source: The Hill

More than 100 people were injured by gun violence in Chicago over the Fathers' Day weekend, marking the most violent weekend in the city so far this year.

The Chicago Sun-Times reported that a total of 104 people were injured by gunfire between Friday and Monday, with several shootings occurring early Monday morning. At least 14 people were killed.

“Bullets don’t just tear apart the things they strike,” Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown said at a press conference on Sunday addressing the shootings. “Bullets also tear apart families. Bullets destroy neighborhoods and they ruin any sense of safety in a community.

Good men throughout this city should be celebrating with their families on a beautiful day, but instead, a number of Chicagoans will be spending Father’s Day grieving the loss of their children,” he added, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/news/503877-104-people-shot-12-dead-over-weekend-in-chicago



The violence occurred all across the city and involved numerous seemingly random shootings, several of which killed children. The youngest slain was a 3-year-old who was exiting a barbershop with his father at the time.


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104 people shot, 14 dead over weekend in Chicago (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 OP
This kind of violence Matthew28 Jun 2020 #1
Maybe when Joe's in the White House he could start a committee tasked KS Toronado Jun 2020 #3
Chicago managed these numbers without any "Anarchists" or Occupied Protest Areas, too. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #2
Are there going to be any massive protests and marches planned? MichMan Jun 2020 #4
Is that sarcasm? It reads like cynical anti-BLM snark. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #5
You dont believe a dozen or so people murdered every weekend deserves a mass protest in the area? MichMan Jun 2020 #6
Thought trump promised to end the violence? RandiFan1290 Jun 2020 #9
Fun fact, Trump lies. OneCrazyDiamond Jun 2020 #11
And that's another reason for protest. It is such a tragedy to see so many young African Americans totodeinhere Jun 2020 #17
What would be the focus of such a protest? Yavin4 Jun 2020 #21
The only legitimate protests are those against government? MichMan Jun 2020 #22
Reductio ad absurdum LanternWaste Jun 2020 #37
No, wouldn't it be legitimate to protest the fact that the carnage in Chicago continues and totodeinhere Jun 2020 #24
Of course it would. But putting the focus on the people is apparently not acceptable. oldsoftie Jun 2020 #25
What can they do to stop it? Polybius Jun 2020 #28
Don't give Trump any ideas ripcord Jun 2020 #29
We could solve root causes of the problems JonLP24 Jun 2020 #30
You're implying the lack of mass protests on that issue is a failure of BLM. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #15
Maybe Chicago could hire a force of people to police the problem. uncle ray Jun 2020 #18
There should be...get the guns off the streets. stillcool Jun 2020 #16
Of course not, this is normal and the city doesn't Steelrolled Jun 2020 #20
You could find out and let us know... LanternWaste Jun 2020 #36
You should plan one... tenderfoot Jun 2020 #38
ooh you got scolded by teacher!!!! oldsoftie Jun 2020 #43
I think Mayor Lightfoot has the heart and the toughness required to getting a grip on ... marble falls Jun 2020 #7
Sorry, but blaming the manufacturers wont get it. Just as car wrecks arent GMs fault. oldsoftie Jun 2020 #26
Gangs use straw purchasers where guns are sold JonLP24 Jun 2020 #31
And I said they should be harshly punished. oldsoftie Jun 2020 #42
Cars are not guns. marble falls Jun 2020 #33
Do you agree with mandatory sentences forthemiddle Jun 2020 #44
See? This is what happens when you defund the police. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #8
No, this is what happens when the police don't do their jobs killaphill Jun 2020 #34
whoosh Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #35
There is no political will to send the police in after madville Jun 2020 #39
Yet there is the political will to see dozens slaughtered every weekend? killaphill Jun 2020 #40
We treat everything about Chicago gun violence differently ripcord Jun 2020 #41
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #10
Can you provide an example of an article like this being removed? Yeehah Jun 2020 #12
+100 Sneederbunk Jun 2020 #13
Welcome Back to DU RandiFan1290 Jun 2020 #14
You look like you are new at DU so perhaps you don't know that this topic has been thoroughly totodeinhere Jun 2020 #19
for those of us who may have been away for a day or two RussBLib Jun 2020 #32
Nobody takes them down RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #23
There ya go. oldsoftie Jun 2020 #27

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
2. Chicago managed these numbers without any "Anarchists" or Occupied Protest Areas, too.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jun 2020

Take note, Seattle #CHOP critics.

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
5. Is that sarcasm? It reads like cynical anti-BLM snark.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jun 2020

Any other topics they should add to their agenda to legitimize their protests?

MichMan

(11,864 posts)
6. You dont believe a dozen or so people murdered every weekend deserves a mass protest in the area?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jun 2020

My God, one of the victims was only three and a couple others were teenagers. The father of the 3 yr old is refusing to cooperate with police because he was the target.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
17. And that's another reason for protest. It is such a tragedy to see so many young African Americans
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jun 2020

gunned down in Chicago. The fact that black lives matter should also apply to the carnage in Chicago without diminishing the importance of taking on police violence against people of color.

Yavin4

(35,420 posts)
21. What would be the focus of such a protest?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jun 2020

Protests target systemic, inhumane measures that are sanctioned by the state. The point of mass protests is to get the government to change such sytemic measures.

Protesting random acts of violence would have no effect on those carrying out the violence.

MichMan

(11,864 posts)
22. The only legitimate protests are those against government?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:53 PM
Jun 2020

Protests of corporations and businesses shouldn't be done anymore?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
37. Reductio ad absurdum
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jun 2020

A very popular fallacy indeed, used to little real effect- but it feels so good. Like an old Mangione tune.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
24. No, wouldn't it be legitimate to protest the fact that the carnage in Chicago continues and
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jun 2020

the politicians can't seem to do anything about it?

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
25. Of course it would. But putting the focus on the people is apparently not acceptable.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

This shit is inexcusable but blame will be put anywhere but on those responsible.

But at least some people get it. And then get slammed for "getting it"

Polybius

(15,331 posts)
28. What can they do to stop it?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jun 2020

The nearly banned handguns there entirely, and it hasn't done anything. Perhaps banning gangs (not sure if they are already banned)? Or maybe start teaching kids in Chicago from kindergarten on that every life after birth is precious? I am out of ideas, but open to suggestions.

ripcord

(5,260 posts)
29. Don't give Trump any ideas
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jun 2020

He would probably love to designate every street gang a terrorist organization.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
30. We could solve root causes of the problems
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:16 PM
Jun 2020

Poverty often leads to violence.

How Redlining Segregated Chicago, and America

Ever since I heard tell of it, I’ve been eagerly awaiting a study by three members of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago: “The Effects of the 1930s HOLC ‘Redlining’ Maps.”

It might sound like an arcane subject, but it’s gotten a surprising amount of attention in the popular press over the last few years (driven in large part by the attention of The Atlantic’s Ta-Nehisi Coates), and something I’ve turned my attention to a few times. In short, in the 1930s, the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation attempted to figure out the creditworthiness of properties within wide swaths of American cities. Given the period, its metrics for creditworthiness were heavily based on the racial composition of neighborhoods—white flight meant that the presence of non-whites, particularly African Americans, brought the specter of housing-value collapse—and for a lot of reasons, these calculations were grounded in the work of Chicago economists and real estate professionals.

Not long ago, a team of academics digitized many of these maps. I spoke to one of the researchers involved, Virginia Tech’s LaDale Winling, who called them the “Rosetta stone” of American cities. It’s shocking how much of major cities were given D grades, the lowest possible credit-risk score, and outlined in red (hence, it’s believed, the origin of the term “redlining&quot .

Basically, the federal government determined that much of the nation’s great cities were poor investments. But there’s some debate about what that meant. Did it influence private lending? Was redlining a symptom of racial fears that drove segregation, or did it play a role in driving segregation? (It’s obviously not just an either-or question.)

https://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/August-2017/How-Redlining-Segregated-Chicago-and-America/

Some of the posters here remind me of right wingers who deflect from racism by bringing up crime in Chicago. They could be right wingers. Someone on social media said that DU is trollwerks and cavers pay a lot attention to this board.

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
15. You're implying the lack of mass protests on that issue is a failure of BLM.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:15 PM
Jun 2020

I didn't say what I believed. You did. You made the criticism.

This movement is about Police Violence and systemic Racism. You don't set their agenda. Maybe it encompasses that topic; I'm not in Chicago.

Are you?

uncle ray

(3,155 posts)
18. Maybe Chicago could hire a force of people to police the problem.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

Is it really too much to ask the trained professionals to do their job with accountability?

Poor people, especially poor black people are systemically oppressed. Police are trained. Let's first hold higher expectations of the people hired to police the city. Maybe if the citizens could trust the police they hired to protect them, then they'd be more cooperative with investigative efforts.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
20. Of course not, this is normal and the city doesn't
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jun 2020

much care. The major does a tweet and moves on.

I have often said that if some person or group was killing dogs or cats on the street, at the rate that people are being killed, the city would be up in arms to find and prosecute the killers.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
36. You could find out and let us know...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jun 2020

Or just maintain the pretense of sincerity-- to better validate your most consistent narrative in these particularly-picked instances (it's simply far too hard not miss the only instances when you allege concern).

I'm guessing the second one... as the first option seems far too inconvenient to that narrative, and would also require genuine concern.

But I'm always open to being surprised.

marble falls

(56,996 posts)
7. I think Mayor Lightfoot has the heart and the toughness required to getting a grip on ...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jun 2020

this problem.

I finally wholeheartedly agree that gun manufacturers have a moral and ethical responsibility to address the issue of selling something that's being used in a wholesale fashion for purposes they don't intend.

The same way lawn darts were banned, the manufactured didn't intend for them to hurt and kill children but the darts were killing and hurting children.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
26. Sorry, but blaming the manufacturers wont get it. Just as car wrecks arent GMs fault.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

None of these guns are sold in Chicago. And where they ARE sold, there is nowhere near the same level of violence. So blaming the company does nothing. Bust illegal buyers, of course. Jail them for a LONG time. But the pressure needs to be put where the problems are. But nobody will want to do that.
Lawn darts were supposed to be a TOY. No comparison.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
42. And I said they should be harshly punished.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jun 2020

The fact remains that its a SOCIETY problem and nobody wants to admit it. Its blame everyone BUT those at fault.

forthemiddle

(1,375 posts)
44. Do you agree with mandatory sentences
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jun 2020

For those using the illegal guns during crimes?

These guns have not been purchased legally, and unfortunately many crimes get plea bargained down. If we treated the gun as the mandatory enhancement of crimes, maybe the rate of shootings would decrease.

The same goes for the straw buyer purchaser. Those too should hav mandatory minimum sentences.

 

killaphill

(212 posts)
34. No, this is what happens when the police don't do their jobs
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jun 2020

The police have NOT been defunded in Chicago. They are just asleep at the switch.

madville

(7,403 posts)
39. There is no political will to send the police in after
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jun 2020

Gun toting gang members. The last thing the leaders want is a bunch of shootouts where the police end up gunning down young black men.

 

killaphill

(212 posts)
40. Yet there is the political will to see dozens slaughtered every weekend?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jun 2020

Seems to me thats a false choice.

ripcord

(5,260 posts)
41. We treat everything about Chicago gun violence differently
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jun 2020

No matter how many people are shot at one location it is never termed a mass shooting.

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
19. You look like you are new at DU so perhaps you don't know that this topic has been thoroughly
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:40 PM
Jun 2020

covered at DU. And your suggestion that people at DU only care about black lives when the killer is white is a lie.

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