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demmiblue

(36,886 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:07 AM Jun 2020

In major victory for California, Supreme Court rejects Trump's challenge to state sanctuary law

Source: LA Times

WASHINGTON —

The Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear the Trump administration’s challenge to a California “sanctuary” law, leaving intact rules that prohibit law enforcement officials from aiding federal agents in taking custody of immigrants as they are released from jail.

Only Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. voted to hear the administration’s appeal.

The court’s action is a major victory for California in its long running battle with President Trump.

At issue was a clash between federal power and states’ rights.

Read more: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-15/supreme-court-rejects-trumps-challenge-to-california-sanctuary-law

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In major victory for California, Supreme Court rejects Trump's challenge to state sanctuary law (Original Post) demmiblue Jun 2020 OP
Once again, Thomas and Alito are the knee-jerk RWers. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #1
It's time to find Justices bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #2
There are a number of schools of thought in legal studies. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #5
Two bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #6
It's the cities they're from and the schools they went to and who their families knew The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #7
Like most Repub justices, he was an "originalist" except when it didn't suit him sandensea Jun 2020 #12
I saw a Tweet that summed this up. forgotmylogin Jun 2020 #15
The schools of thought contrary to the originalist position... reACTIONary Jun 2020 #17
You have to use the WayWayback Machine to find John Jay's emails. klook Jun 2020 #18
Whoa! Jersey Devlin Jun 2020 #3
Scalia was popular with the RWers because his writing style The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #4
Good as it was a vast overreach for Trump to try and order the states to do this. cstanleytech Jun 2020 #8
Free link dvduval Jun 2020 #9
Court is on a roll DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #10
So far, SCOTUS and the Constitution are holding against fascism. ancianita Jun 2020 #11
The dotard can't be happy about that. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #13
Taxpayer money wasted defending against executive action contrary to human rights. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #14
California Uber Alles! roamer65 Jun 2020 #16

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,854 posts)
1. Once again, Thomas and Alito are the knee-jerk RWers.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jun 2020

I've said in other posts that those two are the most extreme members of the court. I'm no fan of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch but so far they haven't been as bad as Thomas and Alito. And Rehnquist was worse than any of them, even Scalia.

bucolic_frolic

(43,289 posts)
2. It's time to find Justices
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:37 AM
Jun 2020

from somewhere other than Scalia-Alito Territory. What were they teaching in those schools that brought 2 of them to the Supreme Court?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,854 posts)
5. There are a number of schools of thought in legal studies.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jun 2020

Scalia was an originalist (as Gorsuch and Kavanaugh also claim to be), meaning he believed the Constitution should be interpreted in light of what was going on in society at the time the Constitution was written, and that courts shouldn't apply modern conditions or reasoning to its words. IMO that's nuts, but what do I know? There are other legal philosophies as well - Critical Legal Studies is a theory that proposes that the law is always intertwined with social issues and has inherent social biases. Proponents of CLS believe that the law supports the interests of those who create the law, and is intended to maintains the status quo in favor of existing power structures. There are also legal realists, legal relativists, believers in natural law, etc., etc. Law students are exposed to many of these theories but there might be a chicken/egg thing going on - that is, if a person were already inclined to be conservative they'd probably be attracted to originalism; if they were already liberal they'd probably go for legal realism or CLS.

bucolic_frolic

(43,289 posts)
6. Two
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jun 2020

Supreme Court Justices hailing from Lawrenceville NJ or thereabouts? And both right wingers? Is it a school of thought that predates the Republic? Ignore the law and laissez-faire and all that?

I mean I know Nuclear scientists mostly graduated from the same school in Germany. They were teaching something important.

And Joe Garagiola and Yogi Berra lived across the street from one another as kids.

Something's going on in the world.

Bernanke taught at nearby Princeton. Somebody had GWB's ear.



The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,854 posts)
7. It's the cities they're from and the schools they went to and who their families knew
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jun 2020

and the political and social connections they've developed. As in all professions, there are informal networks; it's not what you know, it's whom you know. If your friends from your town or your school have connections you can tap into them. It's the way everything works everywhere.

sandensea

(21,665 posts)
12. Like most Repub justices, he was an "originalist" except when it didn't suit him
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

When it came to installing Dubya, it was "because I said so."

forgotmylogin

(7,531 posts)
15. I saw a Tweet that summed this up.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jun 2020

Basically "Yeah, we can't take any modern technology they didn't have into account except for the 2nd amendment yeah go ahead with your laser sighted high-fire-rate machine guns that's totally okay LOL"

reACTIONary

(5,771 posts)
17. The schools of thought contrary to the originalist position...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jun 2020

.... are sometimes grouped under the concept of "the living constitution".

An interesting book concerning this distinction is David Strauss The Living Constitution.

https://www.amazon.com/Living-Constitution-INALIENABLE-RIGHTS/dp/0195377273

klook

(12,166 posts)
18. You have to use the WayWayback Machine to find John Jay's emails.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:48 PM
Jun 2020

Those have been very helpful in bolstering the originalist viewpoint.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,854 posts)
4. Scalia was popular with the RWers because his writing style
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

was both clever and caustic, and they loved the jabs he took at the liberal justices. But although Scalia was a Constitutional originalist - IMO a silly theory, but I'm not on the Supreme Court - and he almost always took the side of corporations vs. individuals, he wasn't such a crackpot that he couldn't come up with an argument supporting his decisions. He also was a strong advocate for the First Amendment. I didn't like him but he wasn't a knee-jerk reactionary like Alito and especially Thomas.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
14. Taxpayer money wasted defending against executive action contrary to human rights.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jun 2020

Lookie who spearheaded this challenge.....

(snip)

The Trump administration’s challenge was launched by former Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions. He insisted California was unconstitutionally interfering with federal immigration enforcement. But the Supreme Court, in a decision written by the late Justice Antonin Scalia, has said state and local officials are not obliged to carry out federal enforcement. That state’s rights doctrine appears to have prevailed.

But Trump still got his free bully pulpit moment on Faux News.......
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