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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:48 PM Jun 2020

Bill Barr Defends Attack on Peaceful Protesters: 'Pepper Spray Is Not a Chemical Irritant'

Source: The Daily Beast

Attorney General William Barr on Sunday repeatedly defended on the violent show of force used by D.C. police last week to clear peaceful protesters from Lafayette Park moments before President Donald Trump’s photo-op at St. John’s Episcopal Church, ultimately playing semantics on the use of chemical munitions by law enforcement.

During a wide-ranging interview on Face the Nation, anchor Margaret Brennan pressed the attorney general on whether he felt in hindsight it was “appropriate for them to use smoke bombs, tear gas, pepper balls, projectiles at what appeared to be peaceful protesters?”

An unapologetic Barr, who was behind the order to aggressively clear the demonstrators, insisted that “they were not peaceful protesters” and that this is “one of the big lies that the media” is perpetuating.

Brennan, for her part, pointed out that three of her CBS colleagues were present and didn’t hear the so-called warnings from police or see any projectiles thrown, claims made by both Barr and the police.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-barr-defends-police-attack-on-peaceful-protesters-pepper-spray-is-not-a-chemical-irritant?via=twitter_page

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Bill Barr Defends Attack on Peaceful Protesters: 'Pepper Spray Is Not a Chemical Irritant' (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jun 2020 OP
No, Newest Reality Jun 2020 #1
From Wiki; johndaly Jun 2020 #29
Would you please remove "Barr must be r", the "retarded" word? uppityperson Jun 2020 #32
Absolutely. I cannot believe I missed that!!!! marble falls Jun 2020 #39
Remove the "R" word!!! marble falls Jun 2020 #41
Why isn't this term banned from DU? obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #54
With all those body cams Barr should have a picture TreadSoftly Jun 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author TreadSoftly Jun 2020 #3
Life in prison or NOBODY ever goes to prison again GOD DAMMIT Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #4
How about we try spraying it onto your despotic face, Lowbarr? onetexan Jun 2020 #5
Very much THIS. I want a demonstration from Barr. Grokenstein Jun 2020 #34
agree, these guys are chickensh!t, all hat no cattle onetexan Jun 2020 #46
Exactly my reaction! BlueMTexpat Jun 2020 #38
Exactly. This way he can creditably speak from experience. alwaysinasnit Jun 2020 #42
Exactly Rebl2 Jun 2020 #50
Dear Bill, please stand here while we shoot one of your non-chemical irritants at you. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2020 #6
Ya know the shithole's WH, administration and . . Iliyah Jun 2020 #7
Just as we should inject Ivanka with any cockamamie idea tRump comes up with to prevent jls4561 Jun 2020 #8
Barr should show America, and put his face where the not chemical irritant is. ancianita Jun 2020 #9
Give Barr an enema with pepper spray. TxVietVet Jun 2020 #10
And while he's at it, Barr could also volunteer for a waterboarding demo Zambero Jun 2020 #12
Like the waterboarding that coward Hannity is due. keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #21
Pepper Spray Is Not a Chemical Irritant Danascot Jun 2020 #11
If it has no adverse affect, then why use it? n/t sarge43 Jun 2020 #13
I guess he doesn't know the Park Police already walked back that claim. yellowcanine Jun 2020 #14
He takes Gaslighting to a new level.... ashredux Jun 2020 #15
Take off your rose colored glasses, Billy Bar IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2020 #16
Barr is obviously mentally divorced from reality Sinistrous Jun 2020 #17
That's why he's working on Trump's disndat Jun 2020 #28
As someone who has felt it personally CanonRay Jun 2020 #18
I was on campus at Cal in the late 60s leftieNanner Jun 2020 #44
Kind of like waterboarding is not torture. OnlinePoker Jun 2020 #19
And Bill Barr is a 140 lb handsome young man dalton99a Jun 2020 #20
Once Barr is out of office, maybe he'll be given a chance to find out. nt Progressive Jones Jun 2020 #22
"Pepper spray is not a chemical irritant. It's not chemical." keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #23
Here's How Dumb That Is. ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #25
Oh Yes It Is Billy Boy! ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #24
The Minister of Truth Nasruddin Jun 2020 #26
The pepper ball manufacturer's web site call its projectiles "chemical irritants." #teargaslighting Eugene Jun 2020 #27
Someone should ask Barr If he thinks the manufacturer onenote Jun 2020 #60
As a toxicologists who did grad work on secondary Drahthaardogs Jun 2020 #30
LOCK HIM UP robleb Jun 2020 #31
Expose him. Then ask him. Spray him with police pepper spray. truthisfreedom Jun 2020 #33
Oh right, it's just a PLAIN OLD irritant! elleng Jun 2020 #35
I would like to irritate Barr with some pepper spray as a test case. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #36
Let's say they were spritzing them with Perrier water. THE POINT IS . . Edwcraig Jun 2020 #37
It's really a vegetable and part of a healthy diet. Everyone should begin their day by blasting a Evolve Dammit Jun 2020 #40
Pepper spray or tear gas? Ohioboy Jun 2020 #43
My son is a career Port Security Specialist with the USCG OMGWTF Jun 2020 #45
So he's saying it's ok for folks to spray police with it, because it's not a chemical irritant? CaptainTruth Jun 2020 #47
Straight out of Fox News alp227 Jun 2020 #48
A food product? Collimator Jun 2020 #51
It's A Chemical Extracted From Food ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #53
It was broadcast live from a dozen angles relayerbob Jun 2020 #49
Not a chemical? Or not irritant? What is it, a seasoning? Maine-i-acs Jun 2020 #52
Didn't Hannity agree to be waterboarded? I'm still waiting. rickford66 Jun 2020 #55
Then he wouldn't mind getting sprayed in the face. Amirite? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #56
If Barr were pepper sprayed... AntiFascist Jun 2020 #57
You are not falling for this right? Tbear Jun 2020 #58
I'd like to test it on Barr. roamer65 Jun 2020 #59
 

johndaly

(19 posts)
29. From Wiki;
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jun 2020

(This is too easy. Barr must be retarded.)

"Pepper spray (also known as capsaicin spray or capsicum spray) is a lachrymatory agent (a chemical compound that irritates the eyes to cause a burning sensation, pain, and temporary blindness) used in policing, riot control, crowd control, and self-defense, including defense against dogs and bears.[1][2] Its inflammatory effects cause the eyes to close, taking away vision. This temporary blindness allows officers to more easily restrain subjects and permits people in danger to use pepper spray in self-defense for an opportunity to escape. It also causes temporary discomfort and burning of the lungs which causes shortness of breath.

Pepper spray was engineered into a weapons grade chemical agent by Kamran Loghman when he worked for the FBI in the 1980s.
Loghman also wrote the guide for police departments on how it should be used. After police sprayed docile protestors at University of California in 2011, Loghman came to regret his work and said, "I have never seen such an inappropriate and improper use of chemical agents".[3][4]

Although considered a less-than-lethal agent, it has been deadly in rare cases; and being pepper sprayed may have been a contributing factor in a number of other deaths. "

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
32. Would you please remove "Barr must be r", the "retarded" word?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jun 2020

It is a slur against people who are DD. Thank you.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
54. Why isn't this term banned from DU?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jun 2020

And, why would you use such a disgusting slur? Edit your post. Now.

TreadSoftly

(219 posts)
2. With all those body cams Barr should have a picture
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jun 2020

Bet that Barr doesn't have a picture. Because I bet the unpeaceful acts never happened.

Good for Brennan.

[I deleted an accidental duplicate of my post]

Response to Mrs. Overall (Original post)

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
34. Very much THIS. I want a demonstration from Barr.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jun 2020

Naturally, like Hannity's "waterboarding is not torture, I'll prove it to you" bit, he would never actually subject himself to it.

6. Dear Bill, please stand here while we shoot one of your non-chemical irritants at you.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:54 PM
Jun 2020

Once you can see and breathe again you can write your letter of resignation.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
7. Ya know the shithole's WH, administration and . .
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jun 2020

cabinet, and republican party alongwith so called "Christian" evangelists LIE continuously.

jls4561

(1,257 posts)
8. Just as we should inject Ivanka with any cockamamie idea tRump comes up with to prevent
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jun 2020

the coronavirus (remember that?) like gargling bleach, a Lysol IV drip and being exposed to UV C light, Bill Barf should have a pepper spray canister fired at him on live TV to prove it's not "a chemical irritant".

You know what is an irritant? Toadies like you, Billy boy.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
9. Barr should show America, and put his face where the not chemical irritant is.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:04 PM
Jun 2020

Only out of touch, arrogant autocratic bullies with law licenses lie to everyone with eyes.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
12. And while he's at it, Barr could also volunteer for a waterboarding demo
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:16 PM
Jun 2020

Just a mildly irritating procedure. Certainly NOT torture.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
21. Like the waterboarding that coward Hannity is due.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jun 2020

Like the waterboarding that coward Hannity is due.

Still waiting, Sean.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
14. I guess he doesn't know the Park Police already walked back that claim.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:21 PM
Jun 2020

Billy Boy is flailing. Good to see.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
16. Take off your rose colored glasses, Billy Bar
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jun 2020

and then have one of your secret service goons pepper spray you in the face on camera.

THEN you can tell us all that pepper spray is not "a chemical irritant.

Sinistrous

(4,249 posts)
17. Barr is obviously mentally divorced from reality
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jun 2020

and incapable of discharging the duties of his position. He must be removed from that position and, in the interest of public safety, he should be taken into long-term in-patient psychiatric evaluation.

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
44. I was on campus at Cal in the late 60s
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jun 2020

Walking to class about a block away from Sproul Plaza where they sprayed tear gas against the anti war protesters. Even from that distance, I can tell you it was awful.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
19. Kind of like waterboarding is not torture.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

I'd like to see him get a shot of spray in the face and then say it's not an irritant.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
23. "Pepper spray is not a chemical irritant. It's not chemical."
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jun 2020

“Pepper spray is not a chemical irritant. It’s not chemical.”

So, he would not mind it done to his grandchildren.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
25. Here's How Dumb That Is.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jun 2020

Nearly everything we touch, breathe, eat, and see is a chemical.
So, that gas HAS TO BE a chemical.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
24. Oh Yes It Is Billy Boy!
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jun 2020

Capsaicin is, you know, a chemical. It's commonly extracted from peppers, but can be easily synthesized in a chemical process. It's even cheaper to do that than to perform extraction & purification.
And, the irritation to mouth, nose, throat and eyes is a chemical attack on those tissues.
Is it as robust an attack as CN or CS? No, but it's still a chemical attack on human tissues.
I know your lane is very, very narrow little Billy, but stay in it.

Eugene

(61,872 posts)
27. The pepper ball manufacturer's web site call its projectiles "chemical irritants." #teargaslighting
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:02 PM
Jun 2020
https://www.pepperball.com/products/

https://www.pepperball.com/product_cat/projectiles/

PROJECTILES
THE BRAND SYNONYMOUS WITH "NON-LETHAL PROJECTILE"

With multiple payload options

and a proprietary chemical irritant that’s proven more effective from even greater distances, PepperBall® projectiles offer the protection and versatility for any situation. Available in both round and VXR versions, PepperBall projectiles can be operated at virtually any temperature from as far away as 150 feet and with an area saturation of up to 50 meters. Each projectile is carefully designed to help protect you in real-world situations so you can be confident that you have the tools needed to effectively do your job and make it home safely.


Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
30. As a toxicologists who did grad work on secondary
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:23 PM
Jun 2020

Plant metabolites, I call bullshit.

They ARE DEFENSE compounds specifically produced to provide an adverse effect.

truthisfreedom

(23,145 posts)
33. Expose him. Then ask him. Spray him with police pepper spray.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jun 2020

Then ask if it’s a chemical irritant. Hit him with a pepper ball or two. Then ask.

Edwcraig

(290 posts)
37. Let's say they were spritzing them with Perrier water. THE POINT IS . .
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jun 2020

these were citizens of the United States peacefully assembled in the people's property, attempting to re-dress grievances guaranteed under Constitution of the United States and you forced them to do anything. YOU WOULD BE WRONG AND YOU SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR THE VIOLATION OF THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. FULL STOP.

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
40. It's really a vegetable and part of a healthy diet. Everyone should begin their day by blasting a
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jun 2020

healthy dose in your mucosa because, well, it's just the right thing to do. No pain, no gain.
Like Reagan's ketchup counts as a vegetable in school lunches. Seriously, Barr is one sick fuck that needs impeaching yesterday. And yes, William they were peaceful. Your use of Blackhawk helicopters, flash grenades, secret police and gas is illegal and impeachable.

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
43. Pepper spray or tear gas?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jun 2020

Who cares? The point is peaceful protesters were forcefully removed to make way for Trump's photo op!

I'm so sick of these liars!

OMGWTF

(3,951 posts)
45. My son is a career Port Security Specialist with the USCG
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jun 2020

Part of his training required that he be pepper sprayed directly in his face with eyes wide open, while simultaneously tackling and cuffing the "perpetrator". He asked me to put the certificate that he passed this part of his training in my firesafe because he does not want to ever go through that again.

Wild Bill Barr needs to go.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
51. A food product?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jun 2020

So is a frozen rack of lamb. But you can kill someone if you hit them over the head with it.

(I bring this up because I remember an old, Old, TV show where a woman killed her husband with some frozen meat product, then cooked it and served it to the police officers who were investigating his death.)

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
53. It's A Chemical Extracted From Food
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jun 2020

Hence, a CHEMICAL.
Also, PAVA is a substituted analog of capsaicin. It's synthesized in 100 to 1000 liter reactors.
It does the same thing. So, it's not just a chemical but chemically synthesized.
So is capsaicin, but the reaction happens over weeks in the seeds of pepper plants.
Still a chemical reaction.
I'd show Megyn the chemical mechanism, but her empty head would implode in the first 5 seconds.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
49. It was broadcast live from a dozen angles
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:23 PM
Jun 2020

As I said elsewhere, I guess he figures that they were throwing nachos

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
52. Not a chemical? Or not irritant? What is it, a seasoning?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:28 PM
Jun 2020

But this is the guy who thinks that US intel investigating who the Russian agents are trying to compromise is "spying". So maybe he just needs a thesaurus?

Tbear

(486 posts)
58. You are not falling for this right?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:00 PM
Jun 2020

He's just changing the focus from the reprehensible actions he fomented to whether or not pepper spray is legal.

C'mon man.

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