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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:50 PM May 2020

Trump says the US will designate Antifa as a terrorist organization

Source: CNN

President Trump has announced that the United States will designate Antifa as a terrorist organization, according to a tweet he sent Sunday.

Antifa, short for anti-fascists, describes a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left — often the far left — but do not conform with the Democratic Party platform.

Antifa positions can be hard to define, but many members support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. Some employ radical or militant tactics to get their message across.

Some context: This designation comes as Trump and Attorney General Bill Barr have pointed to far left groups as responsible for many of the violent protests across the country.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-05-31-20/index.html



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Trump says the US will designate Antifa as a terrorist organization (Original Post) erpowers May 2020 OP
hem AllaN01Bear May 2020 #1
Antifa is a terrorized non-organization. nt soldierant May 2020 #28
+100 reACTIONary May 2020 #32
I Guess If You Oppose Fascism, You Are a Terrorist...Like Captain America TomCADem May 2020 #47
If they are so serious about "Antifa" and other alleged disruptors The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #2
Good luck finding LakeVermilion May 2020 #3
We're talking about MF45 here. He'll make one up. Eugene May 2020 #4
It doesn't matter... regnaD kciN May 2020 #48
I'd love to see that conviction d_b May 2020 #5
True anarchists would destroy LakeVermilion May 2020 #7
Do you really think Antifa justgamma May 2020 #6
Antifa and the Black Block are real "movements"... reACTIONary May 2020 #36
FYI reACTIONary May 2020 #50
Is this even legal? Not that it would stop him from trying Va Lefty May 2020 #8
You appear to be right muriel_volestrangler May 2020 #23
So trump is pro fascism then? pwb May 2020 #9
Gad! Bullshit piled on more bullshit. ANTIFA has nothing to do with the arsonists in Mpls. scarletwoman May 2020 #10
+1 SharonClark May 2020 #40
Antifa has no leader, no hierarchy, no HQ, no chain of command, no official membership... DetlefK May 2020 #11
I suspect that's precisely the point: sandensea May 2020 #14
+1 cayugafalls May 2020 #29
EVERYTHING regnaD kciN May 2020 #49
Keep dividing mutha fucka... divide yoself right off the shelf. Baked Potato May 2020 #12
OK Donald, now do The Proud Boys SBoy May 2020 #13
ALL his opposition will then be labelled antifa or antifa sympathizers. The new red scare. captain jack May 2020 #15
ASHTUNG! Who's next? Lock him up. May 2020 #16
And they'll desinate this group "nice people" ... marble falls May 2020 #17
I wonder what these American anti-fascists would think about Trumps edict. LiberalLovinLug May 2020 #18
I know how my father and the surviving members of his WWII Infantry Unit felt. Ford_Prefect May 2020 #44
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #54
The bloated dumbass thinks antifa is an organization......... Stainless May 2020 #19
ACLU-There is no legal authority for designating a domestic group. Gothmog May 2020 #20
Thank you for posting. He's always saying whatever shit enters his addlepated brain. SharonClark May 2020 #41
Sounds like a false flag operation with the ultimate goal of imprisoning progressive voices, yaesu May 2020 #21
This is how stupid Trump is. It's not an organization !!! nt Progressive Jones May 2020 #22
Sounds like a plan to send Progressives to Gitmo Cryptoad May 2020 #24
He can't shove THIS protest into a "Free Speech Zone" Grokenstein May 2020 #25
This is what he's wanted to do ever since Charlottesville. sandensea May 2020 #26
So Fascist Republicans want to outlaw anti fascists Edwcraig May 2020 #27
ANTIFA? Mopar151 May 2020 #30
We are officially in Bizarro World. cayugafalls May 2020 #31
"Hello; this is the CEO of Antifa..." EarthFirst May 2020 #33
Organization? What organization? reACTIONary May 2020 #34
ha ha. try to find that organization Me. Oval office occupier riversedge May 2020 #35
Investigating Antifa, then investigate QAnon! ... aggiesal May 2020 #37
Complete bullshit. Coming straight from the White House: mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #38
I am anti-fascist. Guess that makes me a terrorist, now. Who knew? Scared of me yet? n/t TygrBright May 2020 #39
No it makes u a freedom fighter. roamer65 May 2020 #45
But leave his 'very fine' white supremacist's alone. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #42
Deploy the search team section They_Live May 2020 #43
Start to arm yourselves, folks. roamer65 May 2020 #46
Maybe now DU will reassess its animosity towards the 2nd Amendment Devil Child Jun 2020 #55
"Terrorists"? LudwigPastorius May 2020 #51
Upside to this. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #52
Define which "US" is making that designation. And far right groups will be labelled this as well? nt TheFourthMind Jun 2020 #53

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,270 posts)
2. If they are so serious about "Antifa" and other alleged disruptors
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:52 PM
May 2020

of peaceful protests, why haven't they formed a federal task force to protect peaceful demonstrations and arrest infiltrators? Why haven't they arrested anybody? In the absence of that it's all bullshit.

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
4. We're talking about MF45 here. He'll make one up.
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:58 PM
May 2020

"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department." - Joe McCarthy

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
48. It doesn't matter...
Sun May 31, 2020, 05:45 PM
May 2020

...that there is no "Antifa" organization. It just means the DoJ, police, etc., will be given carte blanche to label any leftist organization as such, and bring the full weight of the law against them, even without any evidence of actions, because they're "declared terrorists."

d_b

(7,451 posts)
5. I'd love to see that conviction
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:00 PM
May 2020

"Yes your honor, I plead guilty to opposing fascism."

He may as well have the US declare orange the best color while he's at it

justgamma

(3,660 posts)
6. Do you really think Antifa
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:02 PM
May 2020

causes trouble? I've always thought that those people who are dressed in black with the face coverings and started the problems in the Antifa protests were infiltrators who just wanted to give them a bad name. They never looked like they were in with the protesters. Am I completely off the wall. If I'm not, then they have won.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
36. Antifa and the Black Block are real "movements"...
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:25 PM
May 2020

... or, perhaps, philosophies of praxis. You can find them on the internet, engage them in discussion, and judge them for yourself. (Not that I recommend it.) Something like Anonymous, IRL.

Because they are a detriment to legitimate protest movements, it is often claimed that they are agent provocateurs. And some may be. But they are definitely real, and they do show up.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
8. Is this even legal? Not that it would stop him from trying
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:05 PM
May 2020

I thought law only applied to foreign organizations

muriel_volestrangler

(101,149 posts)
23. You appear to be right
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:31 PM
May 2020

From Northwestern University law Review, 2020: Considering a Domestic Terrorism Statute and its Alternatives: https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1283&context=nulr_online

So, yes, he'd have to make up a foreign HQ for "Antifa" that controls the people he wants to target in the USA. He may as well say it's run by Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

You'd have though CNN would have pointed that out, rather than just repeating what the orange idiot tweets without tying it to the real world laws.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. Antifa has no leader, no hierarchy, no HQ, no chain of command, no official membership...
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:09 PM
May 2020

"Antifa" doesn't even have a unified belief-system beyond a vague notion of being against Neonazis.

What exactly would Trump outlaw?

sandensea

(21,526 posts)
14. I suspect that's precisely the point:
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:16 PM
May 2020

The very vagueness of the target, makes it possible for them to include just about anyone in it.

Jabba-the-Don is trying to declare Democrats a "terrorist organization" - without doing so in so many words.

captain jack

(316 posts)
15. ALL his opposition will then be labelled antifa or antifa sympathizers. The new red scare.
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

We won't even hear the words liberal or democrat or left anymore.

Ford_Prefect

(7,817 posts)
44. I know how my father and the surviving members of his WWII Infantry Unit felt.
Sun May 31, 2020, 05:03 PM
May 2020

They were among those who liberated Holland and one of the extermination camps. They had no tolerance for fascism or racist behavior. They said so many times during reunions. They also thought W and the Neo-Con Cabinet were Chickenshit Warhawks for starting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many, though not all, became involved in subsequent Civil Rights and Peace movement activities having seen what nationalized racism and industrialized warfare had done in Europe.

They would be both sad and angry over the events of the last few days. This is not the America they fought to preserve for all citizens to live in.

I am equally sure they would insist that Trump must go NOW. That he has so dishonored the job he pretends to do and the trust of the American People in the office of the President. That he has engaged in race-baiting as the leader of our government and has denigrated those who argued for a more peaceful resolution.

Stainless

(717 posts)
19. The bloated dumbass thinks antifa is an organization.........
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:24 PM
May 2020

Actually, it is more of a concept or an idea. I'm not a fascist but the orange fatboy constantly behaves like one.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
21. Sounds like a false flag operation with the ultimate goal of imprisoning progressive voices,
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:28 PM
May 2020

any non rumpster.

Grokenstein

(5,707 posts)
25. He can't shove THIS protest into a "Free Speech Zone"
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:38 PM
May 2020

so he wants an excuse to use lethal force indiscriminately the instant the noise reaches a certain decibel level. If you think some of the cops have been out of control in response to protests so far, Donny Littlehands is of the opinion that they were way too restrained.

Because he IS a fascist.
And the GOP is now a terrorist organization.

sandensea

(21,526 posts)
26. This is what he's wanted to do ever since Charlottesville.
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:45 PM
May 2020

It's also what the neo-nazis have been asking of him, and naturally they got it.

Edwcraig

(287 posts)
27. So Fascist Republicans want to outlaw anti fascists
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:47 PM
May 2020

as their fascist armed and threatening party members protest sound public health policies and fascist leaning police perform ethnic cleansing. God help us.

Mopar151

(9,965 posts)
30. ANTIFA?
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:53 PM
May 2020

American Nazi Terrorist Insurance Fraud Agressors! The original "Anti-Facist" Skinheads were "villans" - To the Hammerskins, and any other violent, facist, racist, defective humans.

My Dad was an "ANTIFA" OG - Wounded in combat in the Vosges Mountains of France, 100th division, 3rd Army!

To misquote John Lennon "Anti-Facist is something to be!"

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
34. Organization? What organization?
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:08 PM
May 2020

I'm sure its already been mentioned up thread many times, but I couldn't help myself.

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,886 posts)
38. Complete bullshit. Coming straight from the White House:
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:41 PM
May 2020
Aaron Rupar Retweeted

Complete bullshit. Coming straight from the White House:



This guy with the ‘88’ on his shirt must not have gotten the memo.


Nevilledog

(50,660 posts)
52. Upside to this.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:36 AM
Jun 2020

They are definitive in their statements that someone, other than the protesters, are responsible for the violence and destruction. The background of those videoed and/or arrested will prove them to be attached to the Right wing, not the Left.

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